Steve,
Have you not figured it out yet?
Hardware sales
Hardware sales
and even
Hardware sales
Tony Thigpen
-----Original Message -----
From: Stephen Frazier
Sent: 04/17/2006 02:54 PM
I said that Alan probably knows what the real reason is that IBM will
not license z/VM V5 on Flex to commercial users. He may not know, but
that is unlikely. IBM will not tell their customers why they will not
sell them a license to run z/VM V5.
At WAVV on Saturday a salesman from IBM tried to sell me z/VM V5. I told
him yes get me the paperwork. The rest of Saturday and all day Sunday he
kept telling me that he was having problems but would have something
shortly. Finally he said that he wasn't allowed to sell me the license
and that no one would tell him why. He also said that there was no
written policy at IBM saying he can't sell it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you well know the Flex is a z/Architecture box. Many developers run
z/VM V5
on it today. This you know also. IBM will not allow commercial users
to
license
z/VM V5 on a Flex machine. You probably know the reason but for some
reason you
will not tell your customers the truth.
Easy there, Stephen. Alan's telling what he can vouch for, and has
influence with. He's not Mr Hardware Sales policy (if he was, hardware
sales policy would probably be a LOT saner than it is, or at least
COMPREHENSIBLE by normal mortals), and at least he's trying to listen.
Having done battle with the POK hardware people once myself (to get the
layer 2 OSA stuff released), they can be pretty tough to move once they
get an idea into their heads...
On Sunday, 04/16/2006 at 04:46 EST, Stephen Frazier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Our company is very willing to continue to pay version 3 price for
version 5. If
IBM were to offer version 5 at version 3 price to its current
customers
now
running version 3 on flex almost all would take it.
Alan, what he's saying is that *IF* IBM were to approve release of the
64-bit Flex code to commercial customers, he would be willing to pay the
version 3.x VM pricing to license z/VM 5 on it, making up some of the
IBM revenue not received by buying hardware.
I'm not sure that the people I encounter would agree with that (we're
liking this new v5 pricing model too much), but if he's willing to write
that check, more power to him. It means the difference between keeping a
VM license, and losing another one to Windows or Linux (not on Z).
z/VM V5 is already cheaper than V3 on the IBM box, so it doesn't make
sense to me that the decision to move from a large FLEX box to an
IBM
box
would revolve around the price of z/VM. The acquisition costs of a
z/Architecture box appears to be the primary issue.
Acquisition and longer-term operation cost. z/VM's license cost is
pretty much line noise in this discussion (thanks a lot for that!).
-- db
