unfortunately they have already done that here, outsource, off shore, they
just cut 18 more from our operations staff, 3 from our tech support grp
and so far it seems the ones who did not get cut are going to wish they had
been, that's how bad it is getting, no matter what the salary
I spent 3am - 6;30 this morning , on the phone w/ Szabolcs, Istvan,
Shrikant and a few others.

any way you missed my point, it was just a off comment, why would you code
good on reg hours when you can stay and make all that OT
that's all



                                                                           
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Ah, okay.

But surely you can find plenty of entry-level people to work for the $35K,
or actually even less.  Just take it offshore to India.  And a jolly good
job they'll do for you, too.  Okay, that was MY sarcasm.  Sorry.  :)

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I guess the PDF got filtered out
any way it was a article in the paper Tues, you have had to read it to
understand my sarcasm
can you get to the article with this link ? read about Board of elections
senior systems analyst
thanks,
Augie

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/08/14/2007-08-14_pays_great_to_stay_lat

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No PDF file attached, but anyway, your incentive to write good code is for
your own personal satisfaction and sense of accomplishment.

If you don't like the monetary compensation then switch jobs.  If you
establish a reputation of writing good code, they'll miss you even more at
the old job, plus you'll likely get a better reference for the new job.

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speaking of rates look at this article, Bd of Elections sys analyst , where
is the incentive to write good code ?
(See attached file: Sys An.pdf)




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>> - Hourly rate: $40-70

That's an interesting number. A complete fantasy, but an interesting
number all the same.

For $40/hr, what do they expect to get? Remote support?



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