You could do the same thing with minidisks - just define 31 of them and 

choose which on to link to based on the day.

Brian Nielsen


On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:50:27 -0700, James Stracka (DHL US) 
<james.stra...@dhl.com> wrote:

>I had proposed that but SFS is not used here so that is a hard sell.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
>Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
>Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:42 AM
>To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>Subject: Re: How Many Files Can Be on a Minidisk Before It Cannot be
>ACCESSed?
>
>Would the application be amenable to writing each day's files to a
>separate subdirectory and only accessing the ones needed at any given
>time? There could be 31 subdirectories, one for each possible day of the

>month. Before writing the file for any given day, that subdirectory
>could be cleared with or without being archived. The directories could
>also be used without being accessed. If only work days are needed, you
>would have to clear the ones corresponding to the weekends and holidays
>as appropriate.
>
>Regards, 
>Richard Schuh 
>
> 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
>> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Stracka (DHL US)
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>> Subject: Re: How Many Files Can Be on a Minidisk Before It 
>> Cannot be ACCESSed?
>> 
>> This application puts about 10,000 files a day on its 
>> minidisk.  The application owner wants to keep a month's 
>> worth of data online.  Given
>> 64 bytes per file and 14M usable, that is approximately 230,000 files.

>> That would be exactly a full working month.
>> 
>> I am trying to convince the application owner to archive more 
>> frequently or go to a weekly basis as it is approaching an 
>> architectural limit. 
>> 
>> By the way, there is noting wrong with either minidisk.  They 
>> just contain a large amount of small files.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
>> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:22 AM
>> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>> Subject: Re: How Many Files Can Be on a Minidisk Before It 
>> Cannot be ACCESSed?
>> 
>> If there were nothing else below the 16M line except for FST, 
>> the maximum is 262144. Start with that number and subtract 64 
>> for every page < 16M that is otherwise occupied. This is 
>> obviously less than the 279711 files on your 2 disks. Is it 
>> possible for you to limit what gets put in the FST by 
>> accessing by mode number (acc 999 x/x * * x2)? Another 
>> possibility would be to put the files in SFS and use them 
>> without accessing the directories, or by using subdirectories 
>> to limit the number of files accessed.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Richard Schuh 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
>> > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Stracka (DHL US)

>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:59 AM
>> > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: How Many Files Can Be on a Minidisk Before It 
>> Cannot be 
>> > ACCESSed?
>> > 
>> > It is a CMS architecture limit.  Do not make me go to IBMIN.
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
>> > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Imler, Steven J
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:44 AM
>> > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: How Many Files Can Be on a Minidisk Before It 
>> Cannot be 
>> > ACCESSed?
>> > 
>> > Are you sure the minidisk is not corrupted?  Do you have a backup 

>> > product that might help to tell you that it is?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > JR (Steven) Imler
>> > CA
>> > Senior Sustaining Engineer
>> > Tel: +1-703-708-3479
>> > steven.im...@ca.com
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
>> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of James Stracka (DHL US)
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:36 AM
>> > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
>> > > Subject: How Many Files Can Be on a Minidisk Before It Cannot be
>> > ACCESSed?
>> > > 
>> > > We have a minidisk with 152715 files on it and another 
>> with 126996 
>> > > files.  Since the FAT is below the line, we cannot access both of
>> > these
>> > > minidisks concurrently.
>> > >  DMSACP109S Virtual storage capacity exceeded
>> > > 
>> > > Given that the "S" and "Y" disks as well as CMS take storage below

>> > 16M,
>> > > does anybody have an idea of approximately how many files
>> > will go on a
>> > > minidisk (I suppose an SFS directory will have the same concern)
>> > before
>> > > it cannot be accessed?
>> > 
>> 
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