I was looking up stuff on "stepping pace" gait Vicka and found some interesting stuff on trot, and how to improve it or whatever. maybe you can see something in it that will apply to you and starnji and be helpful. or maybe not. or maybe !
1. http://www.icelandichorse.is/gaits.htm The problem also with a horse that avoids trotting, is that to trot effectively it has to lower it's head, but if you stop the horse with the reins it influences the horse to raise it's head. Everything that tenses the horse slightly works in the same way. So, over all it might be worth a thought, whether it's worth the effort at all to go through the frustrations involved to get such a horse to trot in a pen, especially if it trots well on the trail. 2. http://www.horsechannel.com/english-horse-training/horse-posting-trot-9753.aspx Hunter Style: A hunter rider should lean forward and post forward and backward. "The angle of the shoulders in the posting trot should be about 30 degrees in front of the vertical," says Scott Hofstetter, top hunter rider, coach and judge from Ocala, Fla. "In this way, you can move with the motion of the horse, which will allow your Hot Tip! For the Hunter Rider "When warming your horse up, the first 10 minutes should be spent posting very lightly in the saddle," says Scott. "You should be posting in a position that is between sitting and the two-point, what I call the 'crotch seat,' which means you'll land a bit more in your crotch and less in your seat." horse to trot out better." Hunter riders also use the posting trot as a tool to get off a horse's back and allow him to stretch his neck out and forward. If a hunter rider posts up and down over the vertical, such as from a chair type of seat, the rider can land quite hard on the horse's back, making him reluctant to take a bigger stride. "We want our horses to be in front of the vertical and leading with their noses out, as opposed to a dressage horse that is more flexed," adds Scott. Top Six Posting Faux Pas 1. Problem: A Heavy Seat Culprits: Hunter Riders and Dressage Riders "I often see riders posting straight up and down in a chair seat rather than forward and back, and that causes them to land heavy on the horse's back," says Scott. This position also makes it difficult to balance, which causes hands to bounce and jar the horse's mouth. Cure: Stiffness is often the problem. For the hunter rider, pick up the posting trot, and with one hand grab your horse's mane about halfway up the neck (make sure to keep your shoulders square). This will pull your shoulders forward to the correct 30 degrees and help you feel how to land in the saddle softly. Maintain this position for 15 to 20 strides and then let go of the mane. Repeat if you fall out of position. For the dressage rider, a stiff, closed hip angle is usually the problem. Think of the posting trot originating from a kneeling position instead of a sitting position. Your knees should point to the ground, and your hip angle should open as you rise and close as you sit. Think about someone pulling your belt buckle forward as you rise and then pushing it back as you sit. Don't let your knees shift around. Keep them pointing toward the ground as best as you can. 2. Problem: Incorrect Leg Position Culprits: Hunter riders "If your lower leg is too far back, your upper body will fall too far forward. If you ride with your leg in front of the girth, then your upper body will be too far behind the vertical," says Scott. "If your leg is at the girth (essentially the middle of the horse), then your shoulders will be in the right position." Cure: Stand in your stirrups and begin trotting. You can stand either straight up or in two-point. If you feel balanced, your legs are in the correct position. 3. Problem: Eyes Down Culprits: Hunter and Dressage Riders "Riders tend to get absorbed at the posting trot and end up staring down to the inside of the ring or at their horses' necks. It's an easy habit to get into and a hard habit to break," says Scott. Also, eyes down will lead your upper body forward, and before you know it you'll be slumping. Cure: Practice looking ahead by gazing at a focal point ahead of you, such as the tops of the trees or the roof of a building. This will bring your eye level up and will keep you from falling forward or slumping. 4. Problem: Incorrect Arm and Hand Position Drop 'Em! Look Ma, No Stirrups Hunters and dressage riders often don't see eye to eye, but surprisingly in this case we do. Rising trot withoutstirrups is a fine thing—if and only if, a rider has mastered basic position. This is because riding without stirrups is meant to increase the rider's balance. Scott points out that in the Medal and Maclay classes, riders are asked to jump a course without stirrups to show that they have good balance. So for someone who lacks good balance, working without stirrups is exhausting and difficult. Unbalanced riders will compensate and balance on the horse's mouth and/or grip tightly with their legs. Therefore, make sure you can check off the following before you cross your stirrups over: Do you have good hands? Can you balance without using your hands? Do you have a steady, well-balanced seat? When you do ride without stirrups, make sure that you stretch your leg down as much as possible. "I try to get a student to make their legs look like a dressage rider's-long, relaxed and wrapped around the horse's barrel," says Scott. Riding with scrunched-up legs will actually cause you to grip and hold on with your leg, rather than rely upon your seat for balance. Culprits: Dressage Riders and Hunter Riders Your hands and arms shouldn't move with your seat in the rising trot. They should remain stable and separate from your body. If you take your hands and arms with you as you sit, you'll have a very unstable contact-loose then tight. This will cause your aiding system to be haphazard at best. Cure: Concentrate on keeping your arms and hands in the same position as you rise and sit. It helps to think about moving your hips between your elbows as you rise. 5. Problem: Involuntary Leg Movements Culprits: Dressage Riders Have you ever heard your trainer drone on and on about your constant kicking or "nagging" with your leg, but you know for sure that you haven't been? If your upper leg is tight and gripping, your lower leg will pop away from the horse's barrel as you rise and strike against it as you sit. Sounds a bit like kicking doesn't it? Well, it looks like it, and your horse won't know the difference between a honest-to-goodness leg aid and a mistaken thump. It's very difficult to give a clear aid if your leg is always involuntarily bebopping against your horse's side. To the horse it feels much like communication through static. Cure: This is a case of too much tension in your upper leg and not enough in your lower. Keep thighs and knees soft and lower leg on. Focus on holding your calves lightly against your horse's barrel, and don't let them come off as you rise. Have a friend point out when your legs are moving and make a mental note of how this feels. 6. Problem: Can't Get the Right Angle Culprits: Hunter Riders If you were told there would be no math involved, and you're slightly stumped as to what a 30-degree angle is, you may get stuck riding too far forward or not enough. Cure: "An exercise that I find beneficial is to practice changing the angle of your upper body in the posting trot," says Scott. "This will help you feel when you are in the right 30-degree position, where the vertical is and what it feels like to be behind the vertical. Pick up the rising trot and come forward to what you think 30 degrees is." When you're in the correct position, you'll feel your horse relax and move forward and feel your seat get lighter. Now come back on the vertical, which will help you understand where the middle point is. Then lean back behind the vertical. Repeat the exercise. You'll soon get a feeling of what angle you are in. You've come a long way from the first ups and downs of learningdiagonals, but there's always room for improvement. Check yourself for these six faux pas; the results should show in better equitation, and most of all, in your horse's response. 3. and this from Lee Z about how to get a horse NOT to trot so maybe you could do the opposite?? Why only semi-collection? Because if you go too far in collecting a gaited horse you will lose the gait and convert him to a hard trotting horse. This happens because to continue in gait a horse requires a bit of looseness in the back that disappears with true collection. Think of collection as a progressive continuum, shown in varying degrees by horses in various gaits. From the pacing horse, with a totally concave or "hollow" back, to a horse in a piaffe, which is totally round and at the peak of collection, different gaits and movements require different degrees of collection. Some gaits are actually best done with the back in a neutral (not rounded, not hollow) position. The running walk and fox trot are in this category, with the fox trot being just a bit more collected in position than the running walk. Teach your horse semi-collection to convert the pace to one of these gaits, but avoid using so much that you turn him into a hard trotter. hope this helps janice -- yipie tie yie yo
