>>> My only concern is that I have heard that she really doesn't like treeless saddles - was that any problem Karen???
Not at all! I remember when someone falsely reported that to the list, and it's not true. Liz is passionate that tack fit the horses and be appropriate to the horse and to the rider...but beyond that, she really isn't particular about what kind of saddle you prefer - western or English, treed or treeless. And she's certainly not a snob - if you have an inexpensive saddle that works, that's fine too. I could see her questioning some particular treeless saddle on some particular rider, or maybe on some particular horse, but she'd be equally cautious about a poorly fitting treed saddle. Basically though, at the clinics I've been too, she quickly discusses saddle fit, but she wouldn't necessarily even look at the saddle (or the bit) unless she could see that something was wrong with the horse. I've heard her say outright at least a couple of times that treeless saddles may sometimes be about the only answer for some really wide, short-backed Icelandic's. She's pretty sold on Sensations. I know she's seen plenty of Sensations too - four or five of the horses at each of the clinics she's done for me have been ridden in them. Even big old Cary rode one on Skjoni... Her comment about Skjoni and Cary is that they are a happy pair, and Skjoni has a good bit of "self-carriage" at gait, so you can't argue with results like that. (Cary is still gloating over that comment.) >>> Also how much riding is involved? Do all participants ride once a day? I'd feel sure that might be up to the clinician and the host to decide, but generally, her formats are such that they are split between lecture, demonstrations and riding, so neither you or your horse have to be in tip-top shape to ride in one. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/