Thanks Bruce for sharing your views. Is it possible to hear from some folk from .tw and .cn who has say YES and what you think of Bruce comments?
-James Seng ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Thomson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "IETF idn working group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll > Obviously the strawpoll was split nearly 100% by country, with > China, Taiwan, and Korea in favor, and everyone else including > Japan opposed. > > Personally I am in favor of dropping the whole thing, but it is > disturbing that everyone voting in the strawpoll from those three > countries voted in favor... > > It is even possible to consider the compromise solution of > having reordering only apply to scripts from those three > countries only, except that presumably there is no way > to do that without having it apply to Japanese as well. The > Japanese will not like this, I think. > > Therefore I would like to hope that the people from those > 3 countries reconsider, and let us drop reordering from the > spec. We have a hard time as it is producing something > deliverable, and the gains of reordering are not really going > to make the end user notice a difference. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Seng/Personal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "liana Ye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll > > > > Thanks Liana. > > > > I hope there are more discussion on this because we certainly cannot > > leave this hanging so I am going to post my personal views. > > > > There are few ways we can read this. For example, > > 1. purely numbers, ie 30 vs 21 vs 2. > > 2. by group of people, ie many people disagree vs one group of people > > with some individual who wants it > > > > You may insert other ways to read it. > > > > At the minimual, I think it is very safe to say we do not have consensus > > to add reordering to NAMEPREP-ACE, either from basic reading of the > > numbers or intepretion of the numbers. > > > > -James Seng > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "liana Ye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll > > > > > > > My interpretation is the people who are familar with > > > Chinese character processing is used to frequence > > > based methods and love the benefit Reordering is > > > providing. > > > > > > Liana > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:08:48 +0800 "James Seng/Personal" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Yoneya-san, > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting the strawpoll summaries. > > > > > > > > Remember, strawpoll is not a vote. the number in itself (21 or 30) > > > > only > > > > means something depending on our interpretion. > > > > > > > > So Kenny, let me ask the question back to you :-) What do you think > > > > this > > > > statistic means? > > > > > > > > -James Seng > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kenny Huang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Yoshiro YONEYA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll > > > > > > > > > > > > What does the statistics mean ? > > > > > > > > Kenny Huang > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > > > Behalf Of Yoshiro YONEYA > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:18 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On behalf of counters, I report the summary of reordering > > > > strawpoll > > > > > done during Nov 12-16. > > > > > > > > > > There were 55 mail in total during the period, and 2 were from the > > > > > same, so 53 were valid. Following list shows senders' domain > > > > names. > > > > > > > > > > NO: 30 (there were 32 NO but 2 were duplicated) > > > > > aist.go.jp > > > > > alldomains.com > > > > > bic.nus.edu.sg > > > > > cequrux.com > > > > > cs.com > > > > > dsl.gr.jp > > > > > enic.cc > > > > > extundo.com > > > > > fm-net.ne.jp > > > > > goto.info.waseda.ac.jp > > > > > imc.org > > > > > ItsYourDomain.Com > > > > > jprs.jp > > > > > jprs.jp > > > > > linux.or.jp > > > > > macchiato.com > > > > > md.chalmers.se > > > > > microsoft.com > > > > > nic.ad.jp > > > > > nominum.com > > > > > po.ntts.co.jp > > > > > pobox.org.sg > > > > > pobox.org.sg > > > > > realnames.com > > > > > sra.co.jp > > > > > verisign.com > > > > > verisign.com > > > > > w3.org > > > > > zetnet.co.uk > > > > > sharif.edu > > > > > > > > > > YES: 21 > > > > > cc.ncu.edu.tw > > > > > cnnic.net.cn > > > > > cnnic.net.cn > > > > > cnnic.net.cn > > > > > gate.sinica.edu.tw > > > > > iis.sinica.edu.tw > > > > > iis.sinica.edu.tw > > > > > mail.moe.gov.tw > > > > > ms1.url.com.tw > > > > > nic-naa.net > > > > > nic.or.kr > > > > > ports.se > > > > > postel.co.kr > > > > > sinica.edu.tw > > > > > spsoft.co.kr > > > > > twnic.net.tw > > > > > twnic.net.tw > > > > > twnic.net.tw > > > > > twnic.net.tw > > > > > whale.cnnic.net.cn > > > > > whale.cnnic.net.cn > > > > > > > > > > ABSTAIN: 2 > > > > > lysator.liu.se > > > > > switch.ch > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Yoshiro YONEYA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > aka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > From: "James Seng/Personal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Subject: [idn] reordering strawpoll > > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:35:49 +0800 > > > > > > > > > > > The working group co-chairs would like to conduct a strawpoll to > > > > > > guage the consensus of the working group on reordering > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace-02.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > Instructions: > > > > > > - Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - In your subject, put a single word "YES", "NO", or "ABSTAIN" > > > > > > - Leave your body empty. Any text in body will be ignored. > > > > > > > > > > > > The strawpoll will conclude on 16th Nov 23:59 GMT. Counting will > > > > be > > > > > > done by wg members, Yoshiro Yoneya, Yves Arrouye, Dave Crocker > > > > and > > > > > > the co-chairs, Marc Blanchet & James Seng. The result of the > > > > poll > > > > will > > > > > > be made public after we tally the count. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- STRAWPOLL QUESTION --- > > > > > > Do you agree to include reordering (draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace) into > > > > > > NAMEPREP-ACE architecture? > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- YES -----: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=YES > > > > > > If you say 'yes', then you agree to include reordering into > > > > > > NAMEPREP-ACE architecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > The implication of 'yes' result is that draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace > > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > added into NAMEPREP-ACE architecture > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- NO -----: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=NO > > > > > > If you say 'no', then you disagree to include reordering into > > > > > > NAMEPREP-ACE architecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > The implication of 'no' result is that draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace > > > > > > will be dropped from the wg core interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ABSTAIN ---: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=ABSTAIN > > > > > > If you say 'abstain', then you are happy with either 'yes' or > > > > 'no', > > > > > > following the majority opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- SILENT ----: Of course, you may choose to remain silent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
