It appears that Tero Kivinen  <[email protected]> said:
>John R Levine writes:
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2026, Tero Kivinen wrote:
>> > I think the whole idea of sender giving mandates to the whoever is
>> > receiving the email is wrong. The sender should NOT give instructions
>> 
>> In general I agree with you but that ship sailed a decade ago.
>
>So because DMARC and others have been written that way, we cannot
>change that it in DKIM2?
>
>I was assuming DKIM2 is going to be something new, and better, so we
>should change this aspect of it also.
>
>
>> > So instead of donotexplode the sender should say something like
>> > "onerecipient", meaning email was meant to be sent to one recipient.
>> 
>> It's just a token the software looks at.  It could equally well be
>> "qokxonr".
>
>That would be better than donotexplode, as do not explode is something
>that people will be interpreting when they are writing their
>implementations. 

Perhaps I am overoptimistic, but I hope people read the fripping RFC before
they write their code rather than just guessing what a token means.

>> > When would you be setting that flag when sending email?
>> 
>> Receipts, bank statements, password resets, anything that is clearly for 
>> one recipient.
>
>Actually I do still want those even if it gets duplicated to my two
>mailboxes...

Implementors are allowed to use some intelligence.  I don't think it is
all that hard to say that some small number of copies of a donotexplode
message is OK, particularly if they don't have other characteristics of
list mail.

>> > Why would it be useful for you to send that flag?
>> 
>> To discourage mailing lists and the like from forwarding it if someone 
>> accidentally or maliciously sends it such a message.
>
>Mailing lists have been implementing ARC, why do you think they would
>implement this? 

The obvious answer is to keep junk out of their lists.

The donotexplode flag has utility for large mail systems. As I think Bron said,
if across a mail system they see 100 or 1000 copies of a donotexplode message,
they know something is wrong. (Two or three copies would presumably be OK.) You
and I have mail systems too small to do that but I could imagine something like
DCC that passed around message-ID hashes so we could share bulk measures.

>> > email is from external source" warnings to emails, but what other use
>> > there is for this flag?
>> 
>> Same as above.  I don't want them modifying my password reset URL either. 
>> It's advice to systems that modify mail that this message is not one they 
>> should forward.
>
>As those emails should NEVER include URLs that user is expected to
>click, destroying all those emails would be beneficial, ...

Um, you seem to be using a different Internet than the one I use.  Password
reset messages have URLs all the time and no amount of telling people they
are stupid (even if it were true) is going to change that.

R's,
John

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