On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:39 PM, Arvel Hathcock wrote:

Although I also agree with Jim (and others) that the XMPP text is just about the same as our existing text, watching these events unfold has drawn into question my understanding of the rules so I need some clarification (sorry,
I'm a newb).

That's quite alright. There aren't too many RFC lawyers around. And while I have yet to pass the bar, I believe Dave is speaking of events that are irrelevant. From RFC 2418, Section 2.2:

   The formation of a working group requires a charter which is
   primarily negotiated between a prospective working group Chair and
the relevant Area Director(s), although final approval is made by the
   IESG with advice from the Internet Architecture Board (IAB).

And from Section 2.3:

   Once the Area Director (and the Area Directorate, as the Area
   Director deems appropriate) has approved the working group charter,
   the charter is submitted for review by the IAB and approval by the
   IESG.  After a review period of at least a week the proposed charter
   is posted to the IETF-announce mailing list as a public notice that
   the formation of the working group is being considered.  At the same
   time the proposed charter is also posted to the "new-work" mailing
   list.  This mailing list has been created to let qualified
representatives from other standards organizations know about pending
   IETF working groups.  After another review period lasting at least a
   week the IESG MAY approve the charter as-is, it MAY request that
   changes be made in the charter, or MAY decline to approve chartering
   of the working group

   If the IESG approves the formation of the working group it remands
   the approved charter to the IETF Secretariat who records and enters
   the information into the IETF tracking database.  The working group
   is announced to the IETF-announce a by the IETF Secretariat.

Also, relevant to this entire discussion is this tidbit from Section 2.1 under Criteria for Formation:

    - Is the proposed work plan an open IETF effort or is it an attempt
to "bless" non-IETF technology where the effect of input from IETF
      participants may be limited?


-andy
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