William Allen Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 
  It was certain members of the WG who insisted we didn't need the 
  counter.  At least one has admitted he was wrong.  Are you ever going
to 
  admit you were?

I didn't realize that a call for admission had been previously issued.
Sure, I was wrong.  It was a surprise to me that protocols 
are not monotonic wrt non-security requirements when security is 
layered onto them.


Hilarie

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