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For the fourth time in 7 years, I've been unable to attend an IETF in person. For many years now I've been trying to establish a tunnel with anyone. I have plenty of IPv4, IPv6, IPsec and my team has regular conference calls using unicast'ed H.323 over IPsec. I have DVMRP installed stock on every system I own, and PIM available by typing "make". Yet, in those 7 years, I've never seen a multicast packet except while *AT* IETF. Not for lack of trying and lack of throwing money at the problem. Yes, some ISPs who have native multicast. Even the ones who have "Canadian divisions" do not bother to extend it to Canada. None of them are willing to tunnel anything anymore. While in attendance at IETFs, in multicast enabled sessions, I've never heard a single comment from the mbone. According to: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf54.html it might be available in unicast MPEG-4 format, if I happen to have a PC runnings windows and agree to run some beta of realone. I'm not sure that this is accurate myself, since there are no unicast addresses provided in the list. If this is accurate, and I will be able to provide *comments* in real time, then I'll go rent whatever I need to make this work. I'm sure that I'm not the only one in this situation. My general feeling is that multicast got killed by going into production prematurely. I'm willing to establish DVMRP and PIM tunnels to anyone who wants. Do I have any feed of info? No. But maybe we can rebuild something useful. ] ON HUMILITY: to err is human. To moo, bovine. | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another NetBSD/notebook using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 Comment: Finger me for keys iQCVAwUBPTG3PYqHRg3pndX9AQEv1wQA5iY2Z7yWBDL2DgCeGcTW4mokrAzwvbI6 WPJE3DYjSjmCXkWaIxtFsuFu8zILQO8VoKnO0I1jog8qoz1qLvi+EEshqhVH5OVb KfMdM8YL30Sq+YTniU3UjafHOm+ERrfcbze7OM8ZOX3lNN9ndceO3aJpipihnekb aJec1D3q/UU= =cAUu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----