Eliot,

The only relationship SL has to renumbering is the ability to have
connections persist while a network is intermittently attached to the
public network. Renumbering is already solved in terms of the simplicity
of moving hosts from one address space to another. The complex issues to
work on are the places like firewall & router configurations that have
explicit addresses in them. What is not fixable is the fact that apps
will break if you change an address out from under them. This is a fact
the app developers complaining about the complexity of scoped addresses
continually overlook. The assertion is that all a network needs to do is
change the addresses in use when connecting. Never mind that every local
use app will break on every one of those events. That is not an
acceptable approach. 

Tony


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Eliot Lear
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 'The IETF'
> Subject: Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...
> 
> 
> Tony Hain wrote:
> > Trying to use SL for routing between sites is what is broken.
> 
> But that's not all...
> 
> > The space
> > identified in RFC 1918 was set aside because people were taking 
> > whatever addresses they could find in documentation.
> 
> Not as I recall.  Jon Postel received several requests for 
> extraordinarily large chunks of address space, particularly 
> from Europe. 
>   I believe Daniel Karrenberg might have more information.  
> This forced 
> his hand.  In addition, people such as Paul Vixie were trying 
> to do the 
> best they could to make random address space sork, which is 
> admittedly a 
> trick in a small name space.  Recall at the time that CIDR was a new 
> thing.  You couldn't simply use a portion of network 10, for 
> instance. 
> The same cannot be said for IPv6.
> 
> > SL was set aside because
> > there are people that either want unrouted space, or don't want to 
> > continuously pay a registry to use a disconnected network.
> 
> Any address space can be unrouted address space.  Fix the underlying 
> problem, Tony.  Making renumbering easy.  If we don't do 
> that, IPv6 is 
> no better than Ipv4 (with the possible exception of MIPv6).
> 
> > It is far
> > cheaper to train an app developer (though there may be an 
> exception or
> > two) to deal with it than it is to fix all the ad-hoc 
> solutions that 
> > people will come up with to replace SL.
> 
> Fix the renumbering problem and this isn't an issue.
> 
> Eliot
> 
> 




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