>     > the reason I point out the flaws with NAT is not that I think we can
>     > get rid of them in v4. it's because some people are still of the
>     > belief that NATs are mostly harmless and that we should not only
>     > permit them into v6, but extend our architecture to embrace them.
> 
> Keith, that's not the only reason, and you know it. You want to point out to
> people how screwed up NAT's are in the hope that they will be more inclined
> to move *from* IPv4+NAT *to* your perfect future, one in which we once again
> have a global namespace.

Noel,

I have immense respect for you.  But even as smart as you are - when you try
to guess what my motivations are, you are likely to be wrong enough that
you'll misrepresent them.

> IPv4+NAT, as ugly as it is, is the future. Now can we please stop sticking
> our heads in the sand, and start dealing with that?

We *are* dealing with that.  And the fix is called using IPv6 alongside
IPv4+NAT.  Because all of the other fixes are even harder to deploy and less
likely to work.

Keith


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