On Mon, 10 May 2004, Ken Raeburn wrote:
> On May 10, 2004, at 14:17, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
> > It seems that WG co-chair has begun to use an email address that is
> > defaming Av8 Internet, Inc by returning business email to users of Av8
> > Internet claiming that Av8 Internet has hijacked some address space.
>
> That may or may not be, but since you didn't show any bounce from
> uoregon, your claim of "abuse of DNSOP lists" in the subject line
> appears to be unsupported.
Bounces don't have to come from Uoregon. Mr. Austein is the WG chair. He
has to abide by the IETF rules, just like Uoregon (host of DNSOP)
> And I'd read the error message to suggest that perhaps Av8's net block
> had *been* hijacked (in someone's experience, not necessarily
> world-wide, which would be an interesting problem for globally
> distributed block lists), not that Av8 necessarily had done it.
This isn't the case. And if it were, Av8 would make that claim, no one
else would.
> > Av8 Internet hereby demands that the IETF immediately end this behavior
> > and halt the defamation of Av8 Internet, Inc by IETF representatives.
> > IETF representatives must use email addresses that are not configured
> > for
> > defamation of Av8 Internet, Inc.
>
> Yes, I'm sure that SRA was the one who submitted Av8's netblock to
> SORBS, and set up ISC to use SORBS, as part of a secret plot to ruin
> your reputation. </sarcasm>
This has no legal relevance. Repetition of defamation is still defamation.
> How about suggesting a more positive solution, instead of throwing
> around language like "defamation"? Maybe, "IETF WG chairs should
> have/use addresses that don't reject mail based on unreliable block
> lists (for some definition of 'unreliable'), and the IETF should
> provide a forwarding service for those chairs who cannot otherwise get
> such an address."
>
> I would also suggest you try to resolve the issue with SORBS, except
> that when I tried the URL suggested, I got "ERROR: Couldn't prepare
> statement: $dbh is (undef)". So I guess you could question the
> reliability of this particular service....
I have been in contact with SORBS, and with ISC.ORG. SORBS Australian
operator Matthew Sullivan says "sue me, I have no assets". I did engage
an attorney in Australia, to review the possibility of a suit, and who
confirmed that Sullivan had no visible assets. It would cost about $50k
(US) to sue, and while Australian law provides that we can recover that,
it cannot be recovered from someone who has no assets.
ISC.ORG is the US promoter of SORBS (we got it booted from other US ISPs),
but ISC.ORG doesn't want to take a complaint. Bill Manning, of EP.NET
(ISC.ORG upstream) says he has no contract with me to accept complaints
about ISC.ORG.
Fortunately, almost no one is using SORBS, or has Av8 whitelisted. Those
few that have used SORBS (outside of ISC.ORG) have stopped using SORBS
when the 130.105 listing is pointed out to them.
--Dean
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