It seems to me that there is genuine value in having the IETF define terms that distinguish the various types of connectivity, not because the IETF can (or should try) to enforce anything, but to provide authoritative normative terminology that might, in some jurisdictions, help provide a legal basis for egregious cases of false advertising.

In particular, it would be nice to have *some* term like "Full internet Connectivity" that defines the high-end service that really can't be credibly claimed by the lower-end services. I'm skeptical, however, that we can rescue the term "ISP" from the low-end services that already claim that label. Rather than fight over the pre-existing term "ISP", why not try to converge on a new term with a more clearly defined meaning from day one, based on a document from the IETF? After all, the low-end services can legitimately claim to provide *some* Internet services, just not *most* of them, which makes them in some sense "Partial ISP's" and unlikely to give up the "ISP" label willingly. Instead, we could invent (and try to popularize) a new term such as "Complete High-End Internet Service Providers" (CHISPs) or "Providers of Internet General Services" (PIGS). :-)

Anyway, I fear that trying to convince a bunch of low-end providers not to call themselves ISPs is about hopeless as trying to convince people who believe in massive budget deficits and preemptive wars not to call themselves conservatives. -- Nathaniel


On Jun 20, 2004, at 9:43 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:

Hadmut Danisch;

Do you think a NAT provider an ISP?

But if we had a precise definition and a taxonomy of the
different classes of ISPs,

Then, all the IP and non-IP providers can now leagaly (some illegaly a little beyond the scope of so generous RFC) say they are ISPs and most end users have no chance to know the differences of the taxonomy.

                                                Masataka Ohta



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