>>>>> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> Where I, and some others, have tried to go in the interest John> of finding a position that everyone can live with is well John> short of what I (and I think you) would like. I suspect we John> may still end up pretty close to your position or mine in John> practice, but that the community will need to learn, John> experimentally, that frequent and detailed interactions with John> the IAOC does not serve either the IASA or the IETF well. I completely agree that frequent and detailed interactions do not serve the IETF or IASA well. My position stems from two assumptions. First, while frequent second-guessing of the IASA is problematic, there are exceptional circumstances where asking to review a specific decision will improve the quality of that decision or the underlying procedures; recalling the IAOC or removing members in these circumstances is too heavy weight of a solution. Secondly, I assume that only very limited procedural safeguards are required to make sure these interactions do not become too frequent: I believe the IETF community understands the value in rarely using exception paths and in selecting carefully decisions for which exception paths should be used. Moreover I believe that the cost of trying to design procedural limits up front is higher than the cost of figuring out if any procedural limits are needed and putting them in place later. I do have operational familiarity with being in a management role where my decisions were subject to appeal. Overall I actually prefer working in a situation where there are sanity checks on my actions. I would find it unacceptable if my decisions were often appealed. Similarly, if certain decisions were overturned I would find that I needed to move on and find other responsibilities. Provided that the appeals/review body is aware of the implications of both these limits, review procedures are a good thing. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf