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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joel> Predicting how many people are going to show up far in advance Joel> (say a year) is a different kind of finacial risk, than the Joel> current current set. Knowing with certantity what cities (and Joel> by extension hotels) the meetings are going to be in in a year Joel> means having potentially costly contracts in place that you Joel> may or may not be in a postion to fund (consider the attendee Joel> flucuations over the time frame 2000-2002 for example). I don't need to know which hotel, nor even which city, or even which country. I would like to know which continent. It would also be enough to know, for instance, "not North America" The cost of flying to Geneva or Venice (or Syndey vs Auckland) is not significantly different (it's ~$1400 for Europe, and around ~$2300 for anywhere in the pacific rim for me, while a trip to Washington, DC is ~$700. Of course, you can do better, and you can do much worse. But these numbers represent reasonable advance planning) What also matters is that I know how far I have to go, how much time-zone time adjustment time I have to add, if there are other conferences that may either conflict or complement my travel, and in the case of summer IETFs, if my family thinks they want to attach a side-trip. I suspect that many would also like to know "US vs non-US", given the difficulties of getting in/out of that country. - -- ] Michael Richardson Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON | firewalls [ ] mcr @ xelerance.com Now doing IPsec training, see |net architect[ ] http://www.sandelman.ca/mcr/ www.xelerance.com/training/ |device driver[ ] I'm a dad: http://www.sandelman.ca/lrmr/ [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQCVAwUBQwUBf4qHRg3pndX9AQEaOwQAvZsZUn+0bGAtCWGOAaiKuRkf0sJlSqbW acF0dcIl8CbaBsAH9nzodOFyaGamaCtoP0WK8vk9O6Qy5eAHsz1gIawsdMt/sBDj +XY14bczmPYlB4sqNiisqo/4ui/dROm3SqJUboAKh+NcZd2HuIe1u5JeJwrO6eqj oS5O9aJn5Jc= =Sa4J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf