Eric- Did I misunderstand your original note? I thought you were suggesting that IETFers were generally paranoid and forgetful. That certainly is true for me, and yet I remember to wear my badge. But please don't allow me to put words in your mouth; if I missed your point please clarify. Cheers, -Benson
________________________________ From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:49 PM To: Schliesser, Benson Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic) On the flip side, you could be arguing that nobody would be able to understand what I said without your helpful intervention. Must get tiring having to put words in other people's mouths all of the time... Thanks! -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson ________________________________ From: Schliesser, Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:27 PM To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic) Importance: High Eric- It sounds like your argument is: "We're too incompetent to say our names at the mic, so we're probably too incompetent to use a RFID system." Did I get that right? While I'm certainly not going to defend the competence of every IETF participant, I don't find much merit in that argument. In my (unscientific) first-hand experiences, it seems that most people do manage to wear their nametags at the meeting. And many of the names on those tags are of cultural origins other than my own, i.e. from a non-English speaking country. If I could actually see the name of the person speaking, it seems like a great improvement over hearing a name which is unintelligible to my ears or hearing no name at all. And if somebody forgets their RFID-badge, then I'm no worse off than I am today. In other words, I think we could come up with a system that worked well enough to be a net improvement over our current operational model. On the other hand, I am amused by your idea of scanning the streets for RFID responses that look like IETF-badges. Then my robot army could track down and kill all IETF participants whom oppose my plans to take over the Internet! Or maybe I could just use them for some fun practical jokes instead... Cheers, -Benson ________________________________ From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:56 PM To: Andrew G. Malis Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic) Andy, The problem is that we are a perpetually forgetful crowd. In particular, we tend to forget to take our badges off when we wander around town. Hence, it is likely that more people will be able to tell where we are than those who we intend to know where we are. Kind of goes with the tendency to forget to identify yourself at the mike. So, we get a nice RFID protective wallet and - remembering how absent minded we are - we keep our name tags (with all of our other RFID badges, and passes) in that protective wallet. As a result, unless you need to get it out to get into a room, it will likely be inside that protective wallet most of the week. On the plus side, that means I won't be the only one who forgets to put my name tag on. On the negative side, an RFID name tag - especially one that is in a protective wallet - is not particularly human readable. At least - if we remember to put them on - the current name tags are fairly easy to read. Did I mention how forgetfull we tend to be? I thought so, but I don't remember... -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson ________________________________ From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:45 AM To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS) Cc: David Morris; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic) Importance: High Eric, Why not? We each already receive a unique identifier when we register for the meeting - all the RFID tag needs to contain is that identifier, no personal info is required. There could also be an opt-in locator service to let other attendees look up what meeting room you're in at that time. I would opt in - I'm alrways trying to find particular people during the week, and this would certainly help people to find me. Cheers, Andy On 3/27/07, Eric Gray (LO/EUS) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excellent idea - NOT!!! All we need is something else to wrap in aluminum foil... Thanks! -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson ________________________________ From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:55 AM To: David Morris Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic) RFID would be a great way to replace the blue sheets as well - put an RFID reader at the door of each meeting room. Embed the chip in the name tag so you don't need to remember to bring anything else from your hotel room in the morning. Cheers, Andy On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Schliesser, Benson wrote: Sun has been pushing RFID technology quite heavily ... perhaps they would sponsor an experiment???
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