On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 12:50:44AM +0000,
 Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
 a message of 32 lines which said:

> in the IETF, the naysayers pretty much kick the consenting adults'
> asses every day and twice on sunday.  and that's the real problem
> here, i finally think.

Time to have a formal representation of end-users at the IETF?

http://patrick.vande-walle.eu/internet/how-can-the-engineering-community-and-the-users-meet/

(My personal worry about this proposal is that there is zero
organisation of end-users at this time. ALAC, mentioned by Vande
Walle, is a complete failure.)

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