On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Simon Josefsson <si...@josefsson.org>wrote:
> "Donald Eastlake" <d3e...@gmail.com> writes: > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Simon Josefsson <si...@josefsson.org> > wrote: > > ... > >> If you are updating a pre-RFC 5378 document that contains trademarked > >> words, it isn't sufficient for the old contributor to have signed the > >> IETF Trust form if the document contains trademarks. You need to > >> contact him anyway, to get permission to reproduce the trademark. > >> > >> /Simon > > > > You should consult an attorney but, as far as I know, at least in the > > US, there is no magic permission needed to "reproduce" a trademark. > > Usually trademarks are to indicate the source of a product or service > > and as long as you don't mislead people about that, you are fine. > > Then what use does section 3.4 of RFC 5378 serve? There is a reason I suggested you consult a real lawyer, but I suppose bars the authors of an RFC from later making a claim that the RFC or derivative works infringe on the trade mark, that is to say, leads to confusion as to the source of some good of service. 3.4. Rights to Use Trademarks > > Contributors may wish to seek trademark or service mark protection on > any terms that are coined or used in their Contributions. The IETF > makes no judgment about the validity of any such trademark rights. > However, the IETF requires each Contributor, under the licenses > described in Section 5.3 below, to grant the IETF Trust a perpetual > license to use any such trademarks or service marks solely in > exercising rights to reproduce, publish, discuss, and modify the IETF > Contribution. This license does not authorize the IETF or others to > use any trademark or service mark in connection with any product or > service offering. > > It was co-authored by the IETF attorney, so I suspect it is intended to > serve some purpose. See my comment above. If it serves a purpose, contributors needs to get the necessary right > and be able to transfer it to the IETF Trust in order to submit a > contribution. As far as I understand, that would involve talking with > the old contributor if trademarks are involved. That does not follow. No license is needed for non-infringing use of a trade mark but granting even an unnecessary license probably makes it harder to get very far with a law suit against the IETF transferring some of a very small risk from the IETF to the contributor. There is no way to be perfectly safe in the current legal system but doing anything, including producing or publishing any document, probably increases your risk. Do you believe that Jon Postel or its current authors needed "to get the necessary right" to publish each of the large number of trademarks in STD 1 (currently RFC 5000)? /Simon > Thanks,Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-634-2066 (home) 155 Beaver Street Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com
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