Does this survey still work?,
I failed to do anything over there.
-Hui
> From: t...@americafree.tv
> To: ietf-annou...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org
> Subject: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting
> of the IETF
> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:42:00 -0400
> CC: i...@ietf.org; irtf-ch...@irtf.org
>
> Greetings;
>
> We have received numerous suggestions and requests for an IETF meeting
> in China and the IAOC has been working on a potential China meeting for
> several years. We are now close to making a decision on a potential
> upcoming meeting in China. However, the following issue has arisen
> and we would appreciate your feedback.
>
> The Chinese government has imposed a rule on all conferences held
> since 2008 regarding political speech. A fundamental law in China
> requires that one not criticize the government. Practically, this
> has reference to public political statements or protest marches, which
> are not the IETF's custom. The government, which is a party to the
> issue,
> requires that people who attend conferences in China (the IETF being
> but one example) not engage in political speech during their tour
> in China. We consider this to be acceptable, on the basis that the
> IETF intends to abide by the laws of whatever nations it visits and
> we don't believe that this impacts our ability to do technical work.
>
> The rule is implemented in the Hotel agreement and reads (note that
> the "Client" would be the Host, and the "Group" would be the IETF) :
>
> "Should the contents of the Group's activities, visual or audio
> presentations at the conference,or printed materials used at the
> conference (which are within the control of the Client) contain
> any defamation against the Government of the People's Republic
> of China, or show any disrespect to the Chinese culture, or
> violates any laws of the People's Republic of China or feature
> any topics regarding human rights or religion without prior
> approval from the Government of the People's Republic of China,
> the Hotel reserves the right to terminate the event on the spot
> and/or ask the person(s) who initiates or participates in any or
> all of the above action to leave the hotel premises immediately.
>
> The Client will support and assist the Hotel with the necessary
> actions to handle such situations. Should there be any financial
> loss incurred to the Hotel or damage caused to the Hotel's
> reputation as a result of any or all of the above acts, the Hotel
> will claim compensation from the Client."
>
> What does this condition mean ? The hotel staff would have, in theory,
> the legal right to shut down the meeting and ask the offending
> participants to leave the property immediately. While we do not
> foresee a situation where such action would take place, we feel that
> it is proper to disclose these conditions to the community.
>
> The members of the IAOC, speaking as individuals, do not like this
> condition as a matter of principle. The IAOC does believe that this
> condition would not prevent the IETF from conducting its business.
>
> We note that the Vancouver/Quebec survey conducted earlier this year
> asked for people to suggest venues in Asia; an overwhelming majority
> (94%) of those who mentioned China were in favor of having a meeting
> there.
>
> We are therefore asking for input from the community by two means - by
> commenting on the IETF discussion list, and also by completing a very
> short survey on people's intentions to travel to China, or not,
> subject to these conditions. This survey can be found here :
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=h4DUkRUOdG_2bVLqioPcYYHw_3d_3d
>
> All responses received by October 1, 2009 at 9:00 AM EDT (1300 UTC)
> will be considered by the IAOC in making its decision. We appreciate
> the assistance of the community in providing us with data that will
> help us to make an informed decision.
>
> Regards
> Marshall Eubanks
> (acting for the IAOC)
>
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