Mike,

On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Michael StJohns wrote:

> Marshall - 
> 
> I would suggest that given you've chosen the location based on the assumption 
> that Bob's 1/1/1 model is most correct and that its possible that a review of 
> the data relative to more persistent attendees or more active attendees may 
> suggest a different model, that you toll closing the "last call" until the 
> data is provided and reviewed by the community.   E.g. Making a choice based 
> on incorrect or incomplete data is worse than delaying the choice a few 
> months especially since we're talking about dates 4-7 years out.
> 
> [My assumption that you've based the choice of locations on the 1/1/1 model 
> may be incorrect, but seems supported by the presentations and comments]

While I can't speak for Marshall, I think he was pointing out that the IAD sent 
out proposed dates for 2014-2017 to the community and no comments were 
received.  This was done twice and afterwards the IAOC adopted the dates.

Also, to your other query, these dates did not specify a meeting location.  
That is the point of this discussion.  See:

  http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html

Bob


> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> At 02:48 PM 8/10/2010, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
>> 
>>> in fairness, anyplace we don't yet have a contract is open to discussion. 
>>> With care and in some cases communication with other organizations, we 
>>> could change the announced dates. They were mostly picked out of the air 
>>> ("could we do X? Well, nobody on the clash list has chosen it yet...") in 
>>> the first place :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Jari Arkko wrote:
>>> 
>>>> FWIW, I do think that choice of July as the meeting time is not the best 
>>>> in terms of avoiding collisions with people's vacations. Say, early June 
>>>> or September would probably have less conflicts with family vacations, 
>>>> daycare shutdown periods, and the like. It would probably make it possible 
>>>> for more people to join the meeting. Of course, any change in the meeting 
>>>> dates would be slow. The current meeting calendar goes to November 2017...
>> 
>> We just put the 2014-2017 calendar out for comment in May. 
>> 
>> Just as for any last call, it would be better if these issues were brought 
>> up before it closes...
>> 
>> Regards
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jari
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