It's is certainly possible to make it to Hiroshima on a day trip from Tokyo. N1 
leaves Tokyo at 0600 and arrives in Hiroshima at 0943 so you opinion is rather 
poorly informed.

In a business context people do it all the time.

Joel's iPad

On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:48, Dave CROCKER <d...@dcrocker.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 8/13/2010 10:40 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>> Based on a sample of 3 (Hiroshima, Anaheim and Maastricht) I am not at
>> all sure your statement is factually correct. Tokyo would have been
>> better than Hiroshima and Amsterdam might have been better than
>> Maastricht and maybe "LA" (a big place) would have been better than
>> Anaheim, but to conclude that these locations "discourage one-day
>> attendance" I think is a stretch.
> 
> 
> Well, since the target market isn't really specified and the criteria for 
> satisfying it aren't specified, what's really going on is a lot of private 
> models that probably don't match.
> 
> Getting some agreement at this level would permit more substantive 
> consideration, so here's an attempt to specify it:
> 
> A Day Pass is for attendees with a very narrow focus of activity in an IETF 
> meeting.  The fee reduces the cost of their participation substantially, both 
> in terms of money and time.
> 
> Alternative criteria:
> 
> Local --
> 
>     One kind of Day Pass user would be someone relatively local to the 
> meeting area. They should be able to travel to and from the meeting and 
> attend it all on the same day.
> 
> Regional --
> 
>     Another kind of Day Pass user would permit a two-day trip, with one night 
> at the conference venue.  Travel time and cost for a regional attendee is 
> much higher than for a Local attendee, but still far less expensive than a 
> full attendee.
> 
> In terms of Local attendees, for the 3 cited venues, only Anaheim is 
> reasonable, IMO.  Maastrict and Hiroshima are too far away from significant 
> centers of IETF-related work to qualify.
> 
> I'm not sure whether Hiroshima would qualify for a Regional attendee, but 
> assume it would.  So would the other 3 sites.
> 
> My comment had assumed a goal of Local attendees.  Perhaps you intend 
> Regional?
> 
> d/
> 
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>>> An example of the problem with the day pass experiment is our tendency to be
>>> at venues that discourage one-day attendance.
> 
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