Hi, >> ... when the support people for a fairly well-established telco >> haven't even heard of IPv6, it's hard to believe that it's going >> to be available anytime soon. >> [multiple people essentially reporting the same] >> At this point in time $ISP has no immediate plans for implementation. > I would say it's about time reality finally settles in.
My reality is that I switched to an ISP who openly announced native IPv6 support in their offering in 2007. Up and running since then, and when I had trouble setting up the IPCP+IP6CP in the same PPP channel in IOS, I wrote them an email on a Saturday, and got a config snippet back an hour later, as part of their standard customer service. That ISP operates nation-wide and uses IPv6 as a marketing instrument to get techies to subscribe. For a price of converted 15 USD per month. That's in Germany though. Apparently, realities differ depending on where you are. Greetings, Stefan Winter > >> Keith Moore wrote: >> Meanwhile, 6to4 continues to work just fine for me. >> So please explain again why it isn't premature to >> discourage a valuable transition mechanism? > On that one I agree with Keith; where's the rush? Although imperfect, > 6to4 was an obvious path and its demise would be the failure of the > IETF, following a long list of things that have been killed prematurely. > > >> Ned wrote: >> Anyone who doesn't believe we have a major marketing >> problem here isn't paying attention. > Hmm that is a point of view. You think you have a solution (IPv6) to > what you perceive to be a problem (shortage of IPv4 addresses). > > However, some ISPs (and some other companies) do not consider it a > problem, but a blessing. What the IPv4 shortage does is that it prevents > new large players to enter the field, while allowing existing players to > continue to do business as usual. > > As the shortage as been predicted for a decade, some (not all) have > stockpiled addresses and are now reaping the benefits. In business, this > situation is worth solid gold: it's called a monopoly. I'm fat and > happy, and I want it to continue. In this case, it's even better: > companies who benefit from it can argue that they are not the ones who > created the monopoly, it was a built-in limitation of the system as > created. > > Some may not like the parallel, but we have failed the IPv6 migration > the same way we have failed the war on drugs. A while ago, there was > this thing called the Tier-1 cartel. As originally designed, a very > elusive club, with almost no way in and absolutely no tears when a > member gets de-peered. > > Some have said that the cartel has failed as a system (due to a large > number of multilateral peering agreements and other factors). But now > what we have is a much larger number of largely unorganized but sharing > the same goals entities: those who already have IPv4 addresses. It's > even worse. > > When a resource becomes scare or limited, the big picture is not how > much of it is available, or how much it costs. The big picture is how > much of the market one does control. Now we are in the situation where > everyone and their sister own a piece of the pie, and as long as the > price of the pie keeps going up, they're going to cling to it. > > > On top of the marketing problem you mentioned, you have a bigger one: > there are many, many organizations out there that, even if you paid them > to deploy IPv6, would not. Because IPv6 is a territorial threat to them. > > While the new or wannabe players would like the extra address space, the > sad truth is that the already establish players don't like newly open > spaces and prefer the territory control that comes with owning a piece > of a limited land space. > > Michel. > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Stefan WINTER Ingenieur de Recherche Fondation RESTENA - Réseau Téléinformatique de l'Education Nationale et de la Recherche 6, rue Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi L-1359 Luxembourg Tel: +352 424409 1 Fax: +352 422473
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