On Aug 23, 2011, at 1:34 AM, John C Klensin <john-i...@jck.com> wrote:
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> --On Monday, August 22, 2011 20:16 -0400 Ray Pelletier
> <rpellet...@isoc.org> wrote:
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>> ...
>> As for the rates, they are high. Taiwan is expensive,
>> particularly given that the hotels know what our options are
>> when we book the TICC. The Hyatt knew that foreign visitors
>> needed to use the Hyatt as headquarters and charged
>> accordingly. Since the time of our site visit, 2 new hotels
>> have been constructed in the vicinity of the TICC (Le Meridien
>> and W), which may provide more competition for Hyatt in these
>> circumstances. At the time we were working on this event,
>> there were no acceptable options.
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> Ray,
>
> I know you want to find sponsors and go where the sponsors want
> to go. I accept the explanation that you negotiated as hard as
> you could for both room rates and cancellation policies. But I
> have to wonder, especially in the light of Lixia's observation
> about the US Govt rate (which, internationally, is often a
> pretty good measure for the higher end of a reasonable rate in a
> given city), whether there is a stopping rule. We were told in
> Quebec that you had given up on one Southeast Asian city because
> rooms would have cost over USD 300 a night. I don't remember
> hearing about a sponsor there. What looks like USD 275 net is
> not all that much less than USD 300, especially if the dollar
> continues to sink.
>
> So, if you had a sponsor for a future meeting at that other
> location, would an estimated USD 300 be acceptable? USD 350?
>
> I obviously don't have all of the information available to me
> that you and the IAOC do, but it seems to be there is always
> another alternative. If there are no local ones, that
> alternative is usually described as "just say no and go
> elsewhere". What I'm trying to understand, mostly for the
> future and with the understanding that it is presumably much too
> late for Taipei and the several following meetings, is whether
> you would ever consider that an option for a meeting for which
> you have a sponsor if you hold it in a particular place or if
> you and the IAOC really believe there is no alternative under
> those circumstances.
I think we need to adopt a simple rule of thumb whereby we do not book venues
where room rates of less than $200 USD are unavailable - sponsor or otherwise.
Tom
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