Thanks, Mary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:40 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High

Eric,

You are describing the process of IAB selection as opposed to IESG selection 
for ensuring there is someone that is a potential chair.
The IAB voting members select the IAB chair.  The IESG members  do not select 
the IETF chair.

Regards,
Mary.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Eric Gray <eric.g...@ericsson.com> wrote:
> John,
>
>         I considered this before making my reply, especially in light 
> of a number of recent events with which I am intimately familiar.
>
>         To become the Chair of the IESG involves a second level of 
> selection that is much more political.  You have to be selected - I believe - 
> for the role by your peers on the IESG.
> This then is a matter for the IESG, more than the NomCom, or the IETF as a 
> whole.
>
>         This is - I feel sure - one of the things that a NomCom has to 
> consider in picking folks for IESG membership: there needs to be at 
> least one AD on the IESG that is both willing and able to take on this role.
>
>         But - let's face it - this should be obvious to any reasonably 
> competent NomCom that is having to replace an outgoing Chair.
>
>         But it is most definitely NOT something that every AD has to be 
> prepared to do...
>
> --
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
> To: Eric Gray
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> --On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 +0000 Eric Gray <eric.g...@ericsson.com> 
> wrote:
>
>>...
>>       So far, it has not been any part of the normal duties of an  
>>IESG member or AD to hold press conferences, glad-handing with  the 
>>masses, baby kissing, etc.
>>...
>
> I can't speak to baby kissing but the above statement is true only if you 
> exclude the IETF Chair from "IESG member or AD".
> Perhaps we could change it if we really wanted to, but we should face the 
> fact --and I hope that Nomcoms understand-- that the IETF Chair role has 
> expanded to include a great deal of public representation of the IETF and, 
> indeed, public politics.
>
>     john
>
>
>
>

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