On Aug 1, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Dave Crocker <d...@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> Perhaps that doesn't bother other folk very much but the differential result 
> was so extreme -- as a single-event experiment -- it strongly suggests we 
> should not call for hand-raising.  (The likely explanations for the 
> difference are pretty straightforward.  Whether our community of engineers 
> wants to believe the explanations or not doesn't matter  The data should be 
> sufficiently compelling.)

I thought this was fascinating too.   And there may be some cultural issue at 
work here.   But letting the negative hums indicate a lack of consensus all by 
themselves would have been wrong: that's not how you determine consensus 
_either_.

So what do you think should have been done differently?

To be clear:

>> The other question raised in my mind is why the initial result from
>> the hum, which did not have a consensus either way, was not
>> sufficient.
> 
> Exactly.  This is a point of working group management that should prompt some 
> concern.

If when the hum comes out indeterminate, you conclude that you do not have 
consensus, you are holding a vote.

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