On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:42 AM, t.p. <daedu...@btconnect.com> wrote: > Chris > > I would not like to see the Trust Agreement change to accommodate issues > one or two - I think that the agreement got that one right.
Thank you for this feedback. > Three is different. The Trust ought to be able to dispose of rights > that are not needed, never will be and are costing money. But how can > that be expressed without giving carte blanche to dispose of everything, > for whatever purposes? We need a proposal as to how that line would be > drawn - I do not have any sound ideas on this. I think providing thoughtful language around seeking community feedback and requiring time frames to dispose of items would be needed in this case. > Can you indicate what annual or one-off costs we are talking about? The > domain names I have dealt with have been cheap enough not to be > concerned about, once I found the best way to deal with them, although I > understand that the IETF is operating in a different realm and so may > have costs of a different magnitude. I agree some domains are not very expensive, however trademarks require legal work for registering and filing for them. While not huge numbers, we want to raise the issue that keeping these items requires overhead and expense that seems to not be warranted in some cases, and we want to discussed and get feedback on if keeping these and paying for them makes sense. Thanks > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Griffiths" <cgriffi...@gmail.com> > To: <ietf@ietf.org> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:48 AM > > IETF Community, > > The IETF Trust Trustees would like feedback from the community on > several issues: > - We have received requests that we cannot accommodate and have > consulted legal counsel to review our options > - The trust agreement does not allow the trustees to effectively manage > some trust assets > > The Trust was created in December 2005 by the Internet Society and the > Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI) for the purpose of > "the advancement of education and public interest by acquiring, holding, > maintaining and licensing certain existing and future intellectual > property and other property used in connection with the Internet > standards process and its administration, for the advancement of the > science and technology associated with the Internet and related > technology." > <http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/IETF-Trust-Agreement-Executed-12-15-05.pdf > > Issue 1 > > We have recently been asked permission to republish the TAO with a > creative commons license, but according to counsel, the current trust > agreement does not give the trustees the rights to do this. > > - Without specific language being added to the trust agreement, we > cannot grant these types of requests. > - The current open request for a creative commons license from 6/18/2013 > cannot be completed. > > Issue 2 > > We cannot currently accept physical assets like hardware donations into > the trust. Once accepted into the trust, we would be unable to dispose > of these items in the future if they are identified as no longer being > needed. > > - This removes flexibility in managing assets in the trust, and we > currently use alternative methods of accepting donations outside of the > trust. > > Issue 3 > > Once a domain name or trademark is registered by the trust, it cannot be > abandoned even if it is no longer needed. > > - We must maintain these in perpetuity based on legal counsel review of > the current language > > You can also find the latest trust report that covers these items and > was presented at the IETF 87 plenary here: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/slides/slides-87-iesg-opsplenary-4 > > Thank you and we look forward to getting your feedback. > > Chris Griffiths > Chair, IETF Trust > >
