My experience on ALS 10.3.2 is that shifts of up to about 0.5eV are plausible 
and often improve the fit substantially.  I assume you're talking XANES, not 
EXAFS.  6eV
is right out and suggests either a misidentification of the species (false fit) 
or inconsistency of energy cal.  One of my pet peeves is that authors of 
XANES-intensive
papers will often say things like "energy was calibrated using Cu foil" without 
saying what their assumed value was (8978eV? 8048.45eV?).
        mam

On 5/12/2017 8:42 AM, Matt Newville wrote:
Hi Pamela,


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Carrillo Sanchez, Pamela <pcarri...@bnl.gov 
<mailto:pcarri...@bnl.gov>> wrote:

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    Hi all, ____

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    I have gone through the mail archives as well as following the instructions 
of Athena user’s manual as well as Scott Calvin’s book but still I find myself 
with the doubt of how correctly “choose E0”. I have aligned the data and 
standards with the merge of reference foils measurements of the metal (Mn). We 
did not have a reference foil placed while measuring the data so I used the 
merge of the references scans when the standards were measured and they showed 
a consistent energy shift. ____

     I have set the same E0 for all the data and standard to the same E0, I 
chose the first peak of the derivative in the data (6MnRh_RED). When I do the 
LCF analysis without ‘fitting E0’ ,  I get a worse fitting than when I choose 
the fit E0 on Athena as well as different types of components on the fitting. 
Which one is the best choice for it ? From what I have read I think that 
without fitting E0 would be the proper one regardless of the “worse fit”. ____

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The recommendation to not fit E0 in linear combination fitting is generally 
preferred, but also assumes that you have all data calibrated to the same 
energy scale.  The concern for fitting E0 in such a linear analysis is that 
energy shifts are often a sign of real chemical effects, not an indication of a 
change in energy calibration.

But, you can definitely use Athena's linear combination fitting to figure out 
what the energy shift is between two spectra on the same material measured with 
different calibrations.

Generally, it's best to measure several standards at the same time, so as to be 
able to assert that their energy scales (and resolution) are consistent.   It's 
OK to measure some samples / standards at different beamlines or different 
sessions at the same beamline as long you're careful about calibrating energy 
consistently (say with the same sample such as metal foil or hard-to-alter 
metal oxide) and the resolutions are similar.  These days most beamlines are 
pretty stable in energy calibration and resolution.

If the standards are well-aligned internally, applying very different E0s to the 
standards is probably not what you want.   Your "fit E0" example shows E0 
shifts varying between ~0 and -6 eV for the different standards.  I think that's kind of 
large - it's possible the energy scales for the standards vary by that much, but you 
might want to double-check that too.

But, if you don't have calibrated standards, I might suggest asking the 
beamline scientist if they have an idea what kinds of energy shifts they expect.


Hope that helps,

--Matt




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