-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 10 May 2001, Alex Shnitman wrote: > Hi Ira, > > Here are the results of Chen's chat with Jonathan. In this mail he > actually sounds reasonable (as opposed to the "fuck off" tone of his > previous messages). I asked Chen to ask him about having IGLU as the > primary DNS now. > > ----- Forwardedmessage from Chen Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- It seems JBA is still playing his double game, I have no idea why he decided to give me "special treatment", but I have tried asking, and I have tried demanding, not only he was never cooperative, he has been downright insulting and rude. contrary to the monster he is trying to make of me, after trying my patiance with childlish sarcazm, I did not threaten him with legal action, I just informed him that his actions and replies (or lack of them) are causing enough suspicion to sugest tkOS (a company that never owned the domain, and I never heard of) has plans for the domain other than the plain kosher ones. I did inform him I'll be making some legal research with an IP lawyer friend of mine about the problematic situation, and I did inform Linus Torvalds that there is a chance of a trademark infringement in the future of this situation. I'm awaiting his reply, but since he is a busy Guy, I may decide to address a few other community leaders and inform them. (if anyone wants the full log of the messages, I'll happily send them) Also, if an amuta that he wants so bad, I'm sure we can arrange something with another LUG. I know the top guys at SVLUG for instance, and they are a registered NPO. as for the bit.site.co.il server, it is the name of my old server in the USA, removed from the net almost 3 years ago. I have informed JBA a few times about this, and asked him to point it instead to iglu.inter.net.il (zal) and then to iglu.actcom.co.il, which he refused. when I tried to change it myself (luckily I'm still the tech contact for the domain) he asked ISOC to refuse the request, although legally submitted. bit.site.co.il has retroactively been added back as an alias to my current machine, but his servers refuse to let me do a zone transfer. so much for cooperation. Mr. Ben-Avraham, as AN INDIVIDUAL, donated the money in 1996 for the domain. he now claims a company which didn't exist in 1996 ownes it, and refused to give me any contact names or Emails in that company. JBA has repeatedly refused to let iglu be a secondary till yesterday, under a bit of coaxing, and he never gave a reason, technnical or legal or otherwise. There's a long list of problems I see with this arrangement, this tkOS company is not anyone we know or ever dealt with, we do not have their signed promise not to abuse the domain or to even continue to point it at the IGLU server. I see room here for fishy activities, and when I raise the issues with JBA he only answers with offensive sarcazm (again, if anyone wants the thread forwarded...) so yes, I believe JBA has an agenda, he is not straight with any of us, and action DOES have to be taken. if enough people in the group agree, I sugest you turn to the media if he still refuses. a so called "Open Source" company that behaves in such a manner should not be trusted. To answer the obvious question "What do I have personally against JBA?", the answer is, I DON'T. JBA has bought my server back in 1997 when I left to California, and served my old clients quite ok. Ever since then he seems to have some weird animosity towards me though, I have no idea what it is based on. when I asked him he denies it, yet he continues to avoid my direct questions and offends me at every chance. So yes, he DID piss me off, but his irrational behavior, if not stemming in some untold personal vengence, sugests that he IS planning unkosher things for the domain. I'm otherwise out of explanation. maybe if Chen asks him, he seems to respond better to girls or something. I guess kissing up helps but it's not like me, Chen thanked him for his kind help during the move, I remember it took over a week to move to actcom and almost 3 weeks to internet Zahav, which forced me to buy iglu.org.il. Frankly, I'm tired of this, and think IGLU should just publicize that the official URLs are based on the iglu.org.il domain and the linux.org.il should not be trusted, but it's my personal opinion ofcourse. if the group does take action and my help is needed, feel free to turn to me, but I'll butt out from now on. for any more questions, reach me in personal Email, I am not on this mailing list. write me at <your name> @ ira. abramov. org (sorry about the spaces, antispam...) following Chen's message, and JBA's answer with "his" POV. I'm not decieved by the helpfulness, but you be the judge. this is a matter for the entire group to decide, not me or Alex or just the iglu-web list. > > From: Chen Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: FW: www.linux.org.il - the domain > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:45:52 +0200 > > Guys, > > I'm not sure if you got this mail, please let me know how you think we > should proceed. > > I believe that "If it isn't broken don't fix it", and what he wrote sounds > reasonable enough for me. > > Thanks, > Chen. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Ben-Avraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:39 PM > To: Chen Shapira > Subject: Re: www.linux.org.il - the domain > > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: > > > Dear JBA, > > > > I'm writing to you as a representitive of the IGLU server managment. > > > > I understood from Alex Shnitman, that he and Ira contacted you about > > transfering the control of the domain. They did so without notifying > anyone > > in the group about this, and I believe it was unnecessary. The domain is > > managed well, and you were a great help during the server move. > > > > I understood, however, that you plan on leaving TKOS and leaving the > domain > > in their control. > > Our group is responsible for the web site, our sponsors donated equipment > > and bandwidth, and hold us responsible that the site will be functioning > > well. > > We are worried about a domain we are responsible for, managed by a company > > we are not familiar with. > > > > I prefer that you will continue managing the domain, but if you can't, we > > would like you to transfer the domain to someone we both know and trust. > > > > Let me know what you think, > > > > Chen. > > Hi Chen, > The domain "linux.org.il" is registered to "Israeli Linux Users' > Association". There never was a legal entity bythis name. And even if > someone were to register one at this point in time it would make no > difference. Any dispute regarding the domain name would have to be > resolved between myself, as the person who registered the domain, and Ira > Abramov or other interested parties. To date, ISOC has refused to make any > changes in the domain registration without my approval, which I think is > the correct thing for them to do in order to avoid legal problems. > > The currently registered name servers are tango.tcltek.co.il and > guitar.tcltek.co.il and bit.site.co.il. The domain site.co.il is > registered to Ira and the name bit.site.co.il does not currently resolve. > > Ira and Alex asked me yesterday to register the iglu server as a > secondary. This is a reasonable request as far as I can tell. I can think > of no good reason to refuse it. I believe that registering the iglu server > as a secondary will increase the reliability of the linux.org.il name > service. I intend to make this change as soon as possible. I promised Ira > I would do it yesterday but I didn't get around to it. I hope to do it in > a few minutes time. > > I will be remaining at "Tk Open Systems Ltd.", formerly "TclTek > Ltd." although I will no longer be responsible for this type of > day-to-day management. That will be handed over to the new management. > > I do not think that there is any reason to believe that the new management > of the company will be any less responsive than I was in managing the > domain. On the contrary, I believe that they will have more time for this > than I do - that's why I'm giving them the job. > > If there are enough people who feel that this is problematic then I would > be happy to hand over the domain to an amuta that represents the Linux > community in Israel. The key here is that there be enough people who feel > strongly enough about this that they would take the time and expense > to register an amuta that clearly represents the Linux community. Ira has > threatened legal action against me, but it would be cheaper and smarter > for him to just register the amuta and then there would be no > justification for me or my company to continue holding the domain. I am > not going to release the domain without legal action to any individual or > group of individuals who claim to represent the Israeli Linux community > unless they have the recognition of the state for their actions. Otherwise > I might as well hand the domain over to someone paid by Microsoft. > > Regards, > > - yba > > > EE 77 7F 30 4A 64 2E C583 5F E7 49 A6 82 29 BA ~. .~ Tk Open Systems > =}------------------------------------------------ooO--U--Ooo------------{= > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - tel: +972.2.679.6452, http://www.tkos.co.il - > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > - -- Ira Abramov, GNU/Linux advocate. 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