On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Sharad Birmiwal
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Inline comments.
>
>> Last I checked, this thread was "AICTE signing agreement to make students 
>> slaves
>> of Auto Desk, Microsoft". Not about comparison between proprietary software 
>> and
>> software. Or whether some FLOSS alternative for a particular software exists.
>
> Finally a reasonable post (thanks Triveni).
>
> "but don't
>> expect the educational institutes to make a software choice based on your
>> prejudice for a piece of proprietary software."
>
> I think that is a very important point that has been said.
>
>
>> According to ET: Autodesk and Microsoft have become partner to deliver free
>> access to development software and design software for institutions, students
>> and faculty in the country.
>>
>> The issues being discussed here are:
>
>
>>
>> In my opinion, answer to these questions are:
>> a. Are students going to learn about software development/design software?
>>                  => No.
>
> We cannot say that yet because we don't know what is in the package.
> If one of them make available a software development platform (which
> is likely) then my answer would change to yes. For those who don't
> know this yet, Microsoft is not Windows. Now, the "programming
> practices" that are inculcated may or may not be to my liking but that
> doesn't mean the answer in such a case would be no.

Please go to these links

Autodesk Page at AICTE:
http://www.aicte-india.org/bfreedownloadsadesk.html

Microsoft Page at AICTE:
http://www.aicte-india.org/bfreedownloadsms.html

I think students are only going to learn about these proprietary software.

>
>>  Are students going to learn about only the proprietary packages of
>> the  companies?
>>                  => Yes.
>
> Of course yes! But I think this question does not serve much purpose.
> For example, if somebody is taught a FOSS application/package, is the
> person going to learn about only the FOSS application/package? I think
> the answer to that will be yes too. Mind you, the emphasis here was on
> "package" and not practice/idea/ideology.

Are we saying that we advocate teaching of FOSS packages?
We are advocating freedom. It is about choice.

Teach about spreadsheet application and let there be a choice between
OpenOffice Calc, MS Excel, KSpread, Lotus Symphony or any other
software.

Teach database and let there be a choice between PostgreSQL, MySQL,
Sql Server etc.

Teach CAD and let there be a choice between Blender, MAYA  etc.


>
>> b. Do the students have any freedom to make changes to these packages if they
>>   wish they want a better program to use?
>>                  => No.
>
> I agree the answer would most likely be no. But that is not the
> intended purpose. I guess this may be reason enough to show dissent.
>
>> c. Are the students going to be dependent on these proprietary packages and
>>   become handicapped in their future career by only learning about these
>>   packages and no idea of any alternatives possible?
>>                  => Yes.
>
> Let me again pose an alternate question. If students are made to use
> FOSS packages, will they be handicapped in their future career by only
> learning about those packages and no idea of any proprietary
> alternates?
>
> IMHO, the answer is yes again.
>
>> d. Do these companies gain unfair advantage in the market by these practices?
>>                  => Yes.
>
> Yes!
>
>> e. Whether Autodesk and MS are being forced down the throat of the students
>>   (or future market)?
>>                  => Yes.
>
> I don't think this is true. The deal is to make available these tools
> for free. That means that most students don't have to worry about
> buying expensive softwares. It depends on the policies and
> school/college/university curriculum on whether they require certain
> software for learning or they wish to impart "ideas" in education.
>
> IMHO, FOSS can not be made popular by forcing it down the throats of students.

Do the students have any choice about which software they can use?
What if a student does a project on Blender?Is the project going to be
rejected by
the authorities because of
a. incompatibility of file formats with Autodesk
b. project created on a software not recommended by AICTE.
c. faculty being unaware of FOSS alternatives.


>
> What this thread has mostly reflected except probably a couple of
> rational posts is idle bashing instead of constructive criticism. I
> invite and encourage thoughts on the discussion at hand.
>
>
> SB
>
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