Hahahahah diskusinya menarik ... Ini ilmu colongan lagi (dari boss Phil) ... istilah BLOATING atau komplitnya MALAWI BLOATING umumnya disebut untuk penyakit KEMBUNG pada chiclid...utamanya chiclid afrika. Lucunya yang sering kena MALAWI BLOATING itu sebenarnya chiclid yang asalnya dari DANAU TANGANYIKA, pengalaman saya pelihara chiclid MALAWI malah jarang sekali terkena MALAWI BLOATING tapi FRONTOSA & TROPHEUS yang notabene chiclid TANGANYIKA malah beberapa kali kena.
Penyebabnya bisa jadi macem-macem, pengalaman saya : frontosa jadi bloating/kembung (dipastikan karena ampe (maaf) kentut) karena kebanyakan makan pellet yang float ...mungkin karena dia makan keatas sehingga sebagian udara masuk ke perutnya. Tropheus jadi bloating karena saya kasih makan BW, tanpa SAYURAN/Sea Weed/Spirulina ..setelah rutin saya kasih sawi, mereka makan BW juga gak pernah bloating ... Btw, kalo orang MASUK ANGIN. ...itu disebut BLOATING atau OD AERO ? hehehhehehehehhe @gung (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....) _____ From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 Februari 2005 17:03 To: [email protected] Subject: [ikan_hias] OD O2 atau OD aero???? -----Original Message----- From: roy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] OD O2 Wah....busyeettt....mabok bin blebek nih....biology kelas beraaatt... :-) ****hehehehe... Belajar pak..biar tambah pinter terus... Kalo yg saya ngerti sih OD O2 dan bloating (perut kembung) sih laen kasus pak.... ****OD O2 emang bener mungkin sekali beda kasus pak dgn bloating (kembung) Tapi kalo bloating-kembung pasti unsurnya juga ada kelebihan oksigen diperut...hehehee tentunya bersama hadirnya unsur gas lain didalam perut. Bloating/perut kembung bukan-nya gara2 kurang "sayur"? + ada virus yg blooming di dalem perut... ****Sembelit pak yg kurang sayur. Bloating salah satu penyebabnya adalah bakteri/virus yg booming populasi diperut. & mendesak gelembung renang ke ukuran yg tidak proporsional plus berfungsi tidak optimal karenanya. Sama sembelit sama gak? Or berak putih/kapur?.... ****Sembelit itu = susah buang besar pak..bhs iklannya. Berak putih/kapur = infeksi bakterial/virus diorgan pencernaan. OD O2 sih kebanyakan oksigen, entah karena kandungan O2 terlalrut terlalu banyak atau hal2 yg lain-nya... ****Sebenarnya sih...sejatinya nih...OD O2 itu keliru penamaan. Karena aerator/blower yg kita pake tidak dihubungkan dgn tabung gas Oksigen murni. Melainkan terhubung dgn udara bebas. Sementara diudara bebas, Oksigen itu bukan komponen terbesar dari udara bersih. Seingat saya, Nitrogen - Hidrogen - CO2 adalah yg jumlahnya lebih banyak ketimbang O2 secara komposisi. Jadi yg ada sih menurut saya "OD aero" Begitu... hehehehe -----Original Message----- From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ikan_hias] OD O2 Bakteri/jamur aerob itu...contohnya yg bikin velvet - white spot - ich dsb penyakit yg terlihat dikulit. Tidak ada itu aquarium itu yg steril....selama ada kontak udara bebas.... Non sense kalo ada yg bilang steril...kecuali aquariumnya pake air keras / alkohol & ditutup rapat....hehehehe Yg dibilang air aquarium bersih pun...namanya bakteri itu pasti ada....aerob maupun anaerob...bahkan virus... Hanya koloninya itu seberapa padat di air & dari jenis gramm positif (patogen/bakteri aktif) atau gramm negatif (bakteri pasif) itu masalahnya. Semakin padat koloninya semakin potensial merusak sistem vital organisme hidup kompleks. Semakin jarang yah berarti semakin jarang juga potensi berbahayanya. Tapi celakanya...jika ikan ngalamin kembung-kelebihan udara dlm perut. Bakteri aerob itu bisa pestapora juga di pencernaannya..dan bikin ikan "munting" - "berenang terbalik" .... Apalagi kalo ketemu temannya yg bakteri AN-AEROB & dedengkot VIRUS...wah cilaka 13 deh....party time itu... Ini bisa jadi karena....ikannya ngambil dari udara bebas scr langsung tapi kebanyakan (karena air lagi miskin O2 / lagi tercemar berat jadi langsung napas dipermukaan) Bisa juga karena O2 terlarut jumlahnya over dibanding kebutuhan... Jadi insangnya memproses air yg kelebihan oksigen. Jadinya kembung. Gitu.... Oni C. Andoko -----Original Message----- From: roy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Ada yg pernah ngalamin? Aduh...nama penyakit tepat-nya saya agak lupa....kalo gak salah ...gas bubble something...gitu lho....Overdosis oksigen.. Hehehe...bisa ya...sampe OD O2... :-) :-) :-) Di buku sendiri gak dijelasin sih mengenai gejala penyakit-nya spt apaan... makanya saya pengen tau aja siapa tau ada yg pernah ngalamin hal ini... Kalo bakteri/jamur AEROB bukan-nya tergantung dari kebersihan aquarium-nya sendiri? -----Original Message----- From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Ada yg pernah ngalamin? Mungkin maksudnya "kelebihan udara" Adalah...memudahkan pertumbuhan bakteri/jamur AEROB yg sifatnya negatif. Jadi ikannya juga jadi gampang sakit, bloating-kembung, dsb...lalu mati... Begitu??? 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