Tx infonya Win @gung (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....)
-----Original Message----- From: Edwin Daryono [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 Februari 2005 9:50 To: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi Subject: Re: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah - Email found in subject Yang gue tau jenis-jenis discus wild....dibaginya berdasarkan warnanya - Brown ; ini cikal bakalnya jenis-jenis discus merah, kaya marlboro, red melon, dll - Blue ; ini cikal bakalnya jenis-jenis biru, blue diamon, solid blue... - Green; ini cikal bakalnya yang jenis-jenis ijo, red spoted green.... - haekel ; ini yang punya garis 1 gede di tengah badannya, dan diskus alam yang paling bongsor badannya cuma susah dibudidayakan, apalagi mau dikawin silang....kalo kaga salah turunannya jadi discus Ghost (pernah liat gak ?) gue pernah punya... Kalo torquise, alenquer...rasanya itu bukan wild lagi deh, tapi itu dah silangan, cuma silangan yang pertama-tama... Alenquer aja setau gue juga 2 macem, blue base ama red base....yang red base, namanya udah macem-macem, ada yang bilang red cherry, ada yang bilang alenquer doang, Kaya louhan juga, ikannya mungkin sama, nama beda-beda... ----- Original Message ----- From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah - Email found in subject > > 2 ekor Cobalt > > 2 ekor Marlboro > > 2 ekor Blue Diamond > > 2 ekor Red Melon > > 2 ekor silangan Red Melon x Rising Sun > > 1 ekor white diamond > > 1 ekor silangan, gak tau antar apa ...gak jelas > > > > Yang strain asli cuman cobalt aja kan itu pak ? sekarang kok kayaknya susah cari yang piagent (?) asli, trus yang coklat (?) dan ada 1 lagi kan yang strain asli ? apa ya ...kok lupa saya ... > > Win, jenis asli cuman ada 4 strain kan ? > > > > @gung > > (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....) > > _____ > > From: Karomul Wachid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 22 Februari 2005 18:33 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah > > > > Discusnya jenis apa gung ? aku pernah baca kalo discus yang strainnya masih > asli bukan yang silangan memang lebih tahan dan bandel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:22 PM > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah > > > > Pak agung. > > Discuss apa ikan mujaer? Hehehehe.. > > Discuss turunan badak bin gajah kali yach..kuat banget sih.pH tinggi + > ganti air ancur2an aja masih kuat. :-) :-) :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah > > Discuss ? belum tentu teller hahahhaha > > Sudah terbukti di aqua saya hahhahaah > > Jadi pelihara discuss ? siapa takuuutt.... > > > > @gung > > (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....) > > _____ > > From: roy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 22 Februari 2005 14:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah > > > > Hmm....mungkin gak sampe1-2 jam kali yach....saya jg gak pernah > merhatiin > detail sih....30 mnt-an kali yach... > Tapi pengalaman saya ganti air spt itu sih ok2 aja...so far ikan-nya gak > pernah ada yg mati...kecuali saya isi-in ikan discus kali > yach.....hehehehe... > :P > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah > > Pak roy ... kok megap-megapnya ampe 1-2 jam sich ? parah bener berarti > airnya ya ? > > Di tempat saya juga gak pake endap-endapan, tapi biasanya ikan > megap-megap paling lama 30 menit (gak pernah merhatiin detail, tapi > bentar kok). Nhaaa .... Pas satu kali (pertama kali dan pengennya juga > terakhir) karena kebiasaaan "ganti air sadis" gitu, 13 ekor Tropheus > Ikola tewas hahahhaahha tapii..ya gimana lagi ? terpaksa beli lagi > ajaaaaaaa ....... :-) :-) :-) > > > > @gung > > (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....) > > _____ > > From: bambang_kristanto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 22 Februari 2005 13:13 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: pH air tanah > > > > > Pak Roy, > > Maksud dari diendapkan dan diaerasi itu sebenarnya untuk > meningkatkan kadar oksigen terlarut dan menguapkan zat-zat beracun. > Makanya kalau kita ganti air 90% s/d 100%, pasti ikan megap2x > seperti kehabisan napas, karena memang kadar oksigen dari tanah > mendekati 0. > Perubahan pH kalau bertahap, ikan masih bisa toleransi. Tetapi > perubahan kadar oksigen seringkali bisa membunuh ikan secara > mendadak. Justru ikan2x yg berukuran besar yg sering mati mendadak > karena kekurangan oksigen dalam waktu lama. > Kalau air PAM yg ditakuti bukan pH-nya, tetapi kadar > chlorine/kaporit terlarut di dalam air. Apabila tidak diaerasi, > sering membunuh ikan dengan mendadak. > > --- In [email protected], "roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Baru disedot pH 9 > > Lewat 2-3 hari diaerasi/filter stabil-nya di 8,5 > > Kalo pH tinggi itu air-nya agak2 licin...apalagi kalo cuci tangan > pake > > sabun...rasanya tetep licin walaupun udah dibilas berkali2... > gak "keset" spt > > bilas pake air PAM > > > > Saya jujur aja gak pernah "ngendapin" air 1 malem-an/di-aerator > beberapa > > jam sebelum kuras aqua...hajar bleh aja...hehehe...ribet+repot gak > punya > > tempat nampung air-nya dulu > > > > Paling utk koki or jenis cichlid tiap 2 minggu sekali rutin saya > kuras > > 90% air-nya berikut bersihin kapas filternya, biasanya sih kalo > baru > > dikuras koki/cichlid akan naek ke permukaan megap2 utk beberapa > saat...1-2 > > jam-an lah (mungkin kaget dgn perubahan kimia air/suhu-nya), lewat > dari > > 1-2 jam itu sih udah balik berenang ditengah/dasar lagi...sadis ya > gw? :-) > > > > Dulu pernah diajarin sama tukang gali yg bikin sumur tanah cara utk > > nge-test air tanah layak minum/gak...pake daun teh (yg biasa buat > nyeduh > > the) direndem didalem gelas yg berisi air tanah itu semaleman....ini > yg > > saya lupa...kalo warna-nya kuning/biru/ijo layak/bisa diminum...ada yg > > tau > > gak...boleh donk dishare sekali lagi ke milist.... > > > > trims > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:11 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [ikan_hias] pH air tanah > > > > Kalo dari keterangan ente...kayaknya air tanah ente asalnya dari > > bebatuan karst (gamping) didalam tanah. > > > > Wajar saja kalo pHnya 8-9 saat baru disedot naik. > > > > Nah kalo sudah diendapin & diaerasi jadi berapa dianya Roy... > (stabil > > diangka berapa setelah 2-3 hari proses) > > > > > > > > Lebih lanjut mengenai lapisan tanah & jenis** batuan > pengisinya..saya > > perkenalkan... > > > > Pakar kita yg lulusan Pertambangan... > > > > Sambutlah dia....sang pakar...: > > > > > > > > Maaaaassss A....G....U....N....G....(nickname = [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > > > > Plok-plok-plok.... > > > > Beliau akan dapat menjelaskan segala sesuatunya mengenai > bebatuan... > > > > > > > > Hehehehe... > > > > Gung ada yang mo nanya tuh... > > > > :):):) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: roy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] pH air drop sampai 5 > > > > > > > > Daerah saya tomang, blakang sumber waras pH air tanah-nya 8-9 > > Kadang masih ada pasir alus-nya (warna putih) yg ikut,,,apa ada > > arti-nya? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:59 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] pH air drop sampai 5 > > Importance: High > > > > PH air tanah itu emang antik kok. > > > > Tiap daerah punya pH benchmark sendiri**. > > > > Contoh tuh air tanah di Sudirman - daerah BCA (kasus bos Bambang) > > > > - baru ditarik ph-nya tinggi/basa > > > > - stlh diaerasi/endapin pH-nya jadi rendah/asam. > > > > Beda dgn air elo di Bintara/Pdk Kopi > > > > - baru ditarik pH-nya netral/agak asam > > > > - stlh diaerasi/endapin pH-nya jadi tinggi/basa. > > > > > > > > Kalo di Tawakal-Grogol lain lagi....meskipun tanpa alat ukur...tapi > > berdasarkan pengamatan gue disono air tanahnya yg baru > ditarik/sedot > > pH-nya netral/agak asam. (elo tanyain Jean Tonny deh...di juga > pake air > > tanah kok buat koinya) > > > > > > > > Kalo elo tanyain Jeng Rina di Tomang lain lagi pasti ceritanya... > > > > Tentang pH-nya air waktu baru disedot. (syukur** kalo doi punya > alat > > ukur) & setelah diaerasi/endapin. Pasti beda. > > > > > > > > Emang susah... > > > > Karena pengaruh terbesarnya ada pada; > > > > - basic/jenis batuan dasar dibawah tanah - tempat dimana air itu > > disedot... > > > > - seberapa dalam air tanah itu disedot naik. > > > > - biogas terlarut (CO, CO2, dsb) > > > > > > > > JADI EMANG PERLU PENGENDAPAN DULU & DIAERASI SUPAYA DITEMUKAN > KESTABILAN > > PH yg NORMAL. > > > > BARU DITENTUKAN APAKAH PERLU DI BERI ADDITIVES PENETRAL PH ATAU > TIDAK. > > > > > > > > Oni > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:18 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] pH air drop sampai 5 > > > > > > > > Pak bambang .... Ngurusin pH emang bisa ruwet :-) :-) ... > > > > Ada satu tulisan saya yang pengen ngajak diskusi tentang pH karena > > selama 3 bulan-an aqua 2 meter yang saya set pH-nya 8,5, sedangkan > yang > > punya pengen setidaknya netral ... sampai akhirnya tulisan saya > itu gak > > selesai karena keburu si aqua baru akhirnya stabil di pH 7,5 ... > dan > > saya males nerusin detail dari proses pH pHan ini heheheheh ... > > > > Yang penting sekarang ini pak, tanaman tumbuh subur, ikan sehat > dah oke > > lah ... saya sekarang juga gak terlalu ribet mikirin pH, yang > penting > > ikan sehat dah beres :-) :-) > > > > > > > > On, kalo ditempat gue kebalik, air tanahnya ph-nya 6-6,5 ...setelah > > semalam diaerasi langsung 7,5 dan hari berikutnya dah 8-8,2. > makanya > > kalo lagi ganti air, gue langsung tambahin garam+garam inggris+ > baking > > soda ...biar dropnya gak terlalu jauh, maklum ikannya (bisa > disebut) > > afrikaan semua :-) :-) > > > > > > > > @gung > > > > (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....) > > > > _____ > > > > From: Andoko, Onesiphorus /BSN JKT > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 18 Februari 2005 14:28 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] pH air drop sampai 5 > > > > > > > > Itu biasa boss...fenomena air tanah... > > > > Awal** ditarik ...pH tinggi (basa) > > > > Lama** disimpan jadi drop...pH rendah (asam) > > > > > > > > Pengaruh CO2 / CO / Biogas....dari tanah yg terbawa air. > > > > Oni > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bambang_kristanto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:42 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [ikan_hias] pH air drop sampai 5 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Belum lama ini saya dibuat kebingungan dengan pH air yg naik > sampai > > 9, karena memakai air tanah di kantor. Ukuran tersebut sempat > > bertahan sekitar 1 bulan. Setelah itu saya mulai menambahkan aqua, > > bila terjadi penguapan. Dan pada saat ngisi ikan air dari toko > ikan > > saya campurkan jadi satu. > > Ternyata saat saya ukur pHnya, saya jadi kaget pH air 5. Saya > ulang > > 2 kali selang 24 jam. Sebelumnya saya tambahkan air tanah dari > > kantor, dengan harapan pH bisa naik sampai 7. Ternyata siang ini > > saya ukur tetap 5 pH air aquascape saya. > > Tapi Fenomena yang terjadi cukup membuat lega, yaitu: > > 1. Spatterdock tetap subur. > > 2. Echinodorus horizontalis juga subur. > > 3. Ikan tetap doyan makan dan lincah. > > Rekan-rekan, kira2x apa ya yang menyebabkan pH sampai drop begitu > > drastis? > > Thank you so much before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Yahoo! 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