dear boss2 ikaners,
ada artikel ttg ramirezi nih ... sori kalau kepanjangan ... tapi bagus
lho, menerangkan kenapa ikan ini matian ...
Common name
Blue ram
Synonymies
Apistogramma ramirezi, Papliochromis ramirezi
Description
Beautiful and interesting dwarf cichlid which is usually held in a pair.
My experiences
When I first started my aquarium I had a pair of these fishes together
with a male Siamese fighter (Betta splendens), but this didn't work out to
well. For some reason the Siamese fighter intimidated the male blue ram
and because of this the male blue ram became sensitive to diseases. When I
didn't had a Siamese fighter in my aquarium anymore I decide to try out a
new pair of blue rams.
For about a while I have had two pairs of blue rams in my aquarium. The
main reasons for this number where that I was curious if they would really
form two pairs and if they would tolerate each others presence in the
aquarium. Pretty fast after I placed the second pair in my aquarium I
noticed that both sexes disliked the fishes of the same gender. Especially
the fierceness between the females surprised me. But the "fights" the
fishes have are mostly to intimidate the other fishes and they don't wound
each other. Pretty soon both males took in a small territory in which they
only allowed the woman of their dreams. Although it was clear that one of
the males was the stronger of the two, the first three months the weaker
male manage to keep his territory. After the first three months the weaker
male was clearly more oppressed by the stronger one, by which the weaker
male mostly retreated to a dark corner of the aquarium or within the
plants. Also when I was feeding my fishes the weak male was afraid to come
out of his hiding place. After a bit more than 6 months the weaker male
died which was probably caused by a combination of too less food and to
much stress. Because of the behavior of the male blue rams I think it's
better to keep only one pair of these fishes in a tank. In a larger tank
than my tank it's less likely that the males have these problems with each
other, but I think it would still be possible that one of the males could
be oppressed.
Although the females clearly aren't taken with each other they give less
problems than the males. Up till about four months after I placed the
females in my aquarium they still regularly had "fights" with each other
to decided which one would be the strongest. When the females had these
fights they swum around each other for a while or "stood" opposite to each
other. After a while they attacked each other with their mounds (without
harming each other). The fight between the female fishes were very
interesting to see. After about 4 months one of the two females had won
the fight between them, so the females now hardly have fights anymore.
Although the weaker female is a bit less colored she seems to be
reasonably happy in my tank. Possibly it can be accidentally that the
females give fewer problems and both look happy (despite of their fights).
But more likely it can be explained through the fact that the females
mostly don't form a territory and therefore they will move more easily too
a quite place in the aquarium when they are oppressed.
I myself thought that the fishes would clearly form to pairs, but this
didn't happen in my aquarium. Although the fishes clearly prefer one
partner the arrangement of the pairs changes sometimes. This is mostly
depending on the status of the fishes in the tank. But at this time it
looks like the strongest male and the strongest female have formed a
steady pair. Though this doesn't mean that the female is always in the
neighborhood of the male. Only when they mate with each other the female
is constantly in the territory of the male and helps the male to drive out
the other fishes.
When a pair is going to mate they lay their eggs in a small hole they made
in the gravel of the aquarium. In my aquarium the eggs are mostly eaten
before they are a day old because when it's dark the blue rams can't
protect their eggs so other fishes can eat the eggs when it's dark. Only
one time I got a change to look a bit longer to the blue rams when they
were protecting their eggs because this time that lay the eggs on a leave
of my Nymphaea lotus, through which the fishes that normally ate the eggs
couldn't reach them.
At that time the male blue ram was mostly guarding the eggs while the
female only came by so now and than. But at the moment I feeded the fishes
in my aquarium the male lost his attention for the eggs for a few minutes
which the other fishes used to eat the eggs.
Besides the very interesting behavior of these fishes blue rams aren't
easy to keep fishes. For example these fishes are very sensitive to
medicines. In my aquarium I first toke notice of this when a male blue ram
got sick and died after a cure with the medicine Unicell of the brand HS. After
this I started to collect some information about this and got the
affirmation about my suspension that these fishes are sensitive for
medicines in the water. Because of this it's a risk to use medicines in an
aquarium with blue rams. A medicine I've used in my tank that didn't
affect these fishes is the medicine Exit of the brand eSHa, that can be used
for the white spot disease.
These fishes are also very sensible for nitrite in the water. Sometime ago
I could notice this in my own aquarium when my male M. ramirezi was all of
a sudden sick. When a few days later this fish even suddenly was cured I
thought that it could maybe be because of an increased nitrite level in my
aquarium. I suspect that the nitrite level in my aquarium was increased at
that time because of the following three circumstances: 75% of my bottom
eaters where placed in a quarantine aquarium (the corydoras species), a
group of plants in my aquarium started losing leaves and I had given to
much food to the fishes that week.
When a M. ramirezi is clearly suffering because of wrong water values, it
mostly improves when the water values get better, but they never become
the old one and in my aquarium they still died a few weeks later. In my
aquarium it's mostly the male M. ramirezi that gets sick first when the
circumstances in my aquarium are not 100% good. After I asked about this
in the shop they said that this probably is a coincidence. Well I was told
that fishes that are bred in captivity are often much stronger than the
ones that are captured in the wild.
Foot-note
The picture of this page is taken from my own aquarium.
Thanks and kind regards,
BENNY ADYAKSA
RNE-Alcatel Indonesia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+62 21 2750 9000 ext 9688
+62 816 798 612
"RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
03/31/2005 05:00 PM
Please respond to ikan_hias
To: <[email protected]>
cc:
Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: snail problem
Banyak kok pak yang jualan Ram ... :-) coba di sumenep or di Kartini ...
Kalo saya sich biasanya beli di daerah menteng atas :-)
Harusnya harga di kartini or sumenep gak lebih dari 2rb/ek ...soalnya kalo
di menteng atas cuman 500 perak/ekor heheheheh ..itu alasannya kenapa saya
pilih beli di menteng atas .. hehehehehhe
@gung
(ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....)
_____
From: hexahh76 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 Maret 2005 13:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: snail problem
Mas agung, tau beli ikan ramirezi dimana?
saya suka tuh dengan bentuk dan warnanya.....keren.
--- In [email protected], "RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pak dicky ... setelah keongnya habis dimakan bunte/al, giliran
ikan kecil-kecil yang dihabisin bunte/al-nya hahahahahhahha
> Lebih aman pake botia or ramirezi dech ....
> Saya punya pengalaman buruk dengan ikan buntel, jaman dulu gara-
gara ikan buntel 750 perak ..belida albino seharga 35rb melayang krn
sirip dayungnya diputusin/dimakan buntel padahal buntelnya masih 1"
dan belidanya 25cm (btw jaman dulu '94 belida albino masih jarang
dan mahal)
>
> @gung
> (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DICKY HARJANTO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 30 Maret 2005 20:52
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] snail problem
>
>
> Bisa juga pake ikan buntel, dua hari pasti keongnya
> dah bersih, keong makanan favoritnya
>
> decky
>
> --- Hendra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > di kartini banyak pak, uk 1" ditawarin 2500/ek
> >
> > Hn
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:50 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [ikan_hias] snail problem
> >
> >
> > Boss-boss ... mong-ngomong botia sekarang berapaan
> > yah dan ada dimana? ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and kind regards,
> >
> > BENNY ADYAKSA
> > RNE-Alcatel Indonesia
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > +62 21 2750 9000 ext 9688
> > +62 816 798 612
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "willy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 03/30/2005 03:30 PM
> > Please respond to ikan_hias
> >
> >
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: [ikan_hias] snail
> > problem
> >
> >
> >
> > Memang botianya dikasih makan apa pak Tatan ?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tatan Taryadi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:19 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] snail problem
> >
> >
> >
> > Ohh cepat besar untuk ukuran aquascape saya pak :)
> > ukuran 90.40.50
> > waktu beli ukuran 1 inchi ada 4 bulan sudah lebih
> > 3x ukuran semula, jadi
> > terlalu besar u/ aquascape saya !
> > Saya pindahin kolam tetangga deh ...:D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RWA-Roeswendra Agung Arijadi
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:51 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] snail problem
> >
> >
> > Pak tatan pelihara botia dimana ? kolam air deras
> > � kok cepat besar ....
> >
> > Saya duluuu... pelihara botia 3 tahun beli 2"
> > mentok di 5" setelah 3 tahun
> > di aqua trus mati :-(
> >
> > Sekarang saya punya botia 5", dibeli setahun lalu
> > ukuran 4" ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Kalo punya resep gedhein botia secara cepat, mau
> > dong dishare .... karena
> > saya pengen punya botia 12"/30cm lah biar dah
> > kayak guling heheheheh
> > ......
> > pengen beli langsung gedhe kok harganya gak kuat,
> > sekarang aja yang 6-7"
> > dah
> > ditawarin dengan harga 450rb per ekor ...hiks
> >
> >
> >
> > @gung
> >
> > (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....)
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Tatan Taryadi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 30 Maret 2005 12:10
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] snail problem
> >
> >
> >
> > Untuk mengedalikan jumlah keong/snail bisa dengan
> > musuh alam nya Yaitu
> > puffer fish, atau ramirezi, saya denger botia juga
> > makan keong, tapi
> > menurut
> > saya botia terlalu cepet besarnya.
> >
> > Txs
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hexahh76 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:57 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [ikan_hias] snail problem
> >
> >
> >
> > hai teman teman,
> >
> > langsung aja ya?
> >
> > saya punya aquarium yang berisikan tanaman hidup,
> > dan beberapa ekor
> > rednose...
> > awalnya setelah saya masukin tanaman hidup itu,
> > terlihat ada beberapa
> > ekor snail yang kecil...
> > tapi tidak mengganggu malah lucu ada kehidupan
> > lain.
> >
> > yang jadi masalah sekarang populasi mereka begitu
> > cepat.
> >
> > sehingga jadi menggangu krn sering nempel dikaca
> > depan samping sampai
> > kesaringan.
> >
> > gimana caranya supaya snail ini tidak terlalu
> > banyak?
> >
> >
> > ada effect buruknya nggak sih ?
> >
> >
> > saya takut pake toxid apapun yang untuk mengontrol
> > populasi snail.
> > tapi ikan saya malah ikut rusak.
> >
> >
> > kira kira ada ikan yang memakan telur snail atau
> > snail itu sendiri?
> >
> > atau idea lain?
> >
> >
> > sebelumnya saya mau ucapkan banyak terima kasih
> > atas bantuan yang
> > diberikan.
> >
> >
> >
> > regards,
> >
> >
> > yanto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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