Mungkin udah hukum alam kali yee....sifat manusia yg cepet bosen. Tapi ini sebenarnya juga merupakan suatu motivasi tersendiri buat para breeder untuk bisa menghasilkan ikan-ikan yang unik. Tidak hanya bisa memperbanyak tetapi juga dituntut selalu inovatif dengan segala kreatifitasnya agar tidak kalah bersaing dengan breeder lain. Mungkin di Indonesia perlu juga kali yee dibuatkan hak paten buat breeder yg bisa menghasilkan strain baru......hehehee....soalnya di Indonesia terkenal banyak pembajaknya.....sampai-sampai televisi pun pada rajin ngejiplak acara dari luar...udah gitu bangga lagi.....heheheeee...
--- In [email protected], "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kalo saya lihat sepertinya era louhan dulu terlalu bombastis pak....sampai2 > orang yg gak tau ikan pun giliran ada ikan guppy dibilangnya ikan louhan, > parah!!!!......selain itu disaat louhan kebanyakan orang melihatnya dari > segi bisnis sedangkan kalo guppy, cupang & discuss kebanyakan memang dari > hobby & tau sendiri kalo dah hobby gak ada matinyeee...... > > Hn > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ikan_hias] fashion fish > > > Tapi kenapa yach dengan kasus louhan yang juga hybrid & fashion fish > trendy, > ternyata tamat riwayatnya. Sedangkan untuk ikan seperti guppy, cupang & > discuss malah terus berkembang & keluar model baru seperti HP Nokia saja. > Yang saya takutkan ke tiga jenis ikan terakhir akan bernasib seperti > Louhan. > Saya perhatikan diluar negeri juga ada perkembangan mode untuk koki. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "willy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:52 PM > Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion > fish - Email found in subject > > > > Ya bagus boss kalo modelnya (red : strain) berubah-ubah berarti antara > > breeder dan hobbiess mempunyai kreatifitas yg tinggi dan ini bisa > membuat > > trendnya lebih panjang dan harga lebih tinggi dpd begitu-begitu aja > enggak > > ada perobahan pasti sebentar aja udah jenuh. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ikan Hias (E-mail)" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:41 PM > Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion > fish - Email found in subject > > > > Kalo perubahan model sih sptnya gak terlalu tapi lebih ke perkembangan > > warna.....yg dulunya kita gak kenal gold, copper dll sekarang mulai > > muncul....tapi ya itulah kasus ikan "hybrid" > > > > Hn > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of willy > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:52 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion fish > > > > > > Ya bagus boss kalo modelnya (red : strain) berubah-ubah berarti antara > > breeder dan hobbiess mempunyai kreatifitas yg tinggi dan ini bisa > membuat > > trendnya lebih panjang dan harga lebih tinggi dpd begitu- begitu aja > enggak > > ada perobahan pasti sebentar aja udah jenuh. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anditya Kamadjaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:20 PM > > Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion fish > > > > > > > Iya tuh, padahal apa enaknya lihat body cupang segede jarum. yang > bagus > > tuh > > > yang lebar, sehat, padat berisi. > > > Cuma yach, susahnya ikan seperti cupang, discus & guppy cepet banget > > > perkembangan modelnya. Baru punya model yang sudah kita incar sejak > > sebulan > > > lalu, ech sudah muncul model baru. Mending yang keluar cuma 1 model. > > > Ternyata bisa keluar 4 model sekaligus. Seperti model baju aja, > fashion > > > trendy, man!!!! Hehehehe.......................... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Eko Marliyanto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:07 PM > > > Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - > Email > > found > > > in subject > > > > > > > > > > Kalau saya perhatikan banyak para pedagang memelihara asal-asalan > > mngak > > > > memperhatikan kualitas yang mereka kejar kebanyakan kuantitas aja. > > > > Sekarang ini yang lagi ramai kalau ngak salah kearah warna copper > atau > > > gold. > > > > > > > > Salam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Ikan Hias (E-mail)" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:00 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lumayan bagus pak, apalagi semakin sering diadain kontes. Kalo > untuk > > > > > primadona saya kurang paham pak.....mungkin para senior cupang > bisa > > > > > menjawab, > > > > > Untuk body cupang yg cilik2 mungkin jadi dari perawatan sejak > > lahirnya > > > gak > > > > > optimal krn ada 2 teman yg sama2 punya cupang usia 3 bulan tapi > > bodynya > > > > beda > > > > > jauh > > > > > > > > > > Hn > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:12 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bagaimana prospek Cupang? Kontesnya makin sering aja tuh! > Halfmoon > > & > > > > crown > > > > > masih primadona yach? Saya lihat kalau di Kartini cupangnya > crown > > tail > > > > > tapi > > > > > body-nya cilik-cilik kenapa yach? Masak sich ada cupang > bantet. > > Setahu > > > > > saya > > > > > cupang akan membesar kalau dikasih makannya teratur sejak masa > > > > > pertumbuhannya. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:05 PM > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet > Osaka > > dan > > > > > Beauty - > > > > > Email found in subject - Email found in subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sama-sama......betul pak > > > > > > > > > > > > Hn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:54 PM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan > > > Beauty - > > > > > Email > > > > > > found in subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank's alot BTW. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pelihara Cupang? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:43 PM > > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan > > Beauty - > > > > Email > > > > > > found > > > > > > in subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.....sorry kalo jualnya sih gak tau ya.....maksud > saya > > jl > > > > kaji > > > > > & > > > > > > jl > > > > > > hm > > > > > > > sangaji itu ada di kiri jalan hasyim ashari letaknya > kalo > > kita > > > > > datang > > > > > > dari > > > > > > > arah carefour duta merlin, begitu pak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hn > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:06 PM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jualnya di dalam rumah? khusus jual koki? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:31 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan > > > Beauty - > > > > > Email > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > in subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dekat jl HM Sangaji (Petojo) pak Andi, kalo > misalnya > > dari > > > > > Hasyim > > > > > > Ashari > > > > > > > > (sebelah carefour duta merlin) tuh jl kaji dulu baru > jl > > hm > > > > > sangaji > > > > > > > semuanya > > > > > > > > ada di sebelah kiri jalan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hn > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jl. Kaji No. 20 didekat mana? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "luckynug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:15 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] - [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan > > > Beauty - > > > > > Email > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo mau kelas yg agak bagus ya di Tropis, > showroom > > di > > > > > Kosambi > > > > > > > > > Permai,Dadap (kebanyakan udah diternak di > Magelang, > > tp > > > > induk > > > > > > > > > import), atau di Bens Aquarium (Maspion Plaza), > kalo > > mau > > > > > lion > > > > > > head > > > > > > > > > ada di Jl. Kaji 20(rumah),Itu yg saya > > rekomendasikan, > > sb > > > > > banyak > > > > > > yg > > > > > > > > > iklan di koran koki import tapi tidak import. > Memang > > utk > > > > > jenis > > > > > > > > > tertentu, kualitas lokal udah cukup bagus dan > > mendekati > > > > > import > > > > > > > > > (TulungAgung)seperti Tosa, Oranda, Oranda Red > Cap, > > > > > Mutiara,dll. > > > > > > Tp > > > > > > > > > kalo yang jenis rancu, TulungAgung belom bisa > > bersaing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anditya > > Kamadjaja" > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Beli koki induknya dimana? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "luckynug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] - [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka > dan > > > > > Beauty - > > > > > > Email > > > > > > > > > found in > > > > > > > > > > subject > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo gak salah di Jl. Makaliwe, jalan yg > dibawah > > > jalan > > > > > tol > > > > > > dalam > > > > > > > > > > > kota, depan Jelambar, disana satu jalan > banyak > > yg > > > jual > > > > > > Aquarium, > > > > > > > > > > > Hikari ada kecil ada besar, biasa saya beli > yg > > besar > > > > Rp. > > > > > 48 > > > > > > rb > > > > > > > > > (utk > > > > > > > > > > > Lion head) yang untuk oranda agak murahan > +/- > 45 > > rb. > > > > > Laris > > > > > > > import > > > > > > > > > > > sendiri, jadi Hikari dijamin asli.Kalo mau > > belajar > > > > > pelihara > > > > > > > koki, > > > > > > > > > > > pake beli yg murah dulu aja, sb gampang > > mati.kalo > > > udh > > > > > serius > > > > > > > > > beli yg > > > > > > > > > > > kecil tp kualitaas bgs (co induk import) itu > > tidak > > > > mahal > > > > > > kok. > > > > > > > Jgn > > > > > > > > > > > beli ikan dr Tulung Agung, sb gampang mati > kalo > > gak > > > > > > hati-hati > > > > > > > > > > > peliharanya (walo harga murah)Kalo beli dr > kecil > > dan > > > > > besar > > > > > > bisa > > > > > > > > > jadi > > > > > > > > > > > kualitas bagus, ada kepuasan sendiri (bg > > hobiis). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vincent > Surya > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Laris itu Grogol sebelah mana ya boss?? > Maklum > > > baru > > > > > > > > > > > > jadi kokiers nih..So hikari banyak > jenisnya > > juga > > > ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wah pusing deh.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- luckynug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > sekarang Liman udh sangat jarang, juga > > > aeratornya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > memang kalo > > > > > > > > > > > > > hobbiss murni koki dan ingin jago > memelihara > > dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > membesarkan koki > > > > > > > > > > > > > agak rumit dan butuh waktu, sekarang > banyak > > yg > > > > juara > > > > > > > > > > > > > di kontes koki > > > > > > > > > > > > > tapi buka dari mengembangkan kualitas > > sendiri, > > > > tapi > > > > > > > > > > > > > beli import dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > dibesarkan, cara meramu gampang- gampang > > susah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > kompoisis tergantung > > > > > > > > > > > > > dari growth mana yg diinginkan, biasa > kita > > > > besarkan > > > > > > > > > > > > > dulu baru > > > > > > > > > > > > > warna,saya maen ikan udah dari thn 1983 > kok > > jadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > udah tau semua > > > > > > > > > > > > > merk, tetra juga bagus. kalo mau beli > Hikari > > yg > > > > asli > > > > > > > > > > > > > di Laris di > > > > > > > > > > > > > grogol aja, harga tdk telalu mahal (kalu > > Rancu > > > dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lion Head, saya > > > > > > > > > > > > > anjurkan pake Hikari yg Lion Head) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > "RWA-Roeswendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agung Arijadi" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss... seingat gua, tahun 1993 > (pertama > > main > > > > ikan > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagi) emang > > > > > > > > > > > > > pellet yang bagus itu HIKARI, tapi waktu > itu > > > > > kalo > > > > > > > > > > > > > gak salah hanya > > > > > > > > > > > > > dikhususkan untuk koi. Dan jaman itu > pellet > > > untuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > koki itu LIMAN dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty.... jadi kalo mau murmer dan > bagus > ya > > > pake > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIMAN ... sampai > > > > > > > > > > > > > sekarang untuk pellet koki saya tetep > pake > > > LIMAN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terus terang aja jaman dulu itu > peralatan > > ikan > > > > > > > > > > > > > bagus-bagus > > > > > > > > > > > > > termasuk pakan ... sekarang ini > buaaannyaaak > > > > banget > > > > > > > > > > > > > merek peraralatn > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan juga makanan ... ampe bikin bingung. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo yang dah main ikan tahun 90-an > pasti > > tau > > > > merk > > > > > > > > > > > > > MULTI (ini > > > > > > > > > > > > > kayak RESUN sekarang lah), LIMAN, RENA > dan > > EHEIM > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > sekarang sich > > > > > > > > > > > > > merek-merek itu masih ada ..tapi lihat > > > ........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > harganya yang gak > > > > > > > > > > > > > kuku. 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