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Dear Mr Sandip, I have noted down your points. Thanks for your valuable feed back. Slow and steady wins the race .I am getting lot of responses and e-mails .I shall go on natural way of debating without fearing .Web is big information super high way. Brickbats or Bouquets All opinions are welcome . You can post your comments .All comments are respected .I am preparing a table in which I shall list the name of the person with his e-mail ID.I shall list GPL point by point. Against each point I am noting Redhat favorable comments by each if any /Noting points against redhat policy by each if any /Redhat comments on each point and compile the full table. After making compilation I shall submit it to National Law University in Bangalore and request them to conduct a debate in the University in public interest .I know they conduct seminars on Copyrights IP Trademarks FOSS and GPL and Law. I shall submit my report to LUG D and Linux for you editor. They can guide me. The debate is very important as( whether we need GPL any more or GPL is strong enough to defend internal threats).Internal threat are greater damaging than external threats .If all companies adopt Redhat trademark policy of RHEL and lock the Linux distribution who will contribute free code for these Locked Linux distributions . Who does not want to make money if it easy to twist the GPL Redhat way .The dream of Linux creater Linus Torvalds and Richard stallman of FSF will get shattered .GPL should not be allowed to become laughing stock in front of public. Layman does not understand twisting of GPL. They only understand four freedoms of GPL. One more view on GPL.: GPL does not restrict any one to make commercial gains out of FLOSS.GPL only advocates that follow the GPL copyright License in letter and spirit and earn money by consulting support and services .Any one any company can get monetary benefit consulting support and services.Redhat can use its trade mark for consulting support and services and training. like any other international companies uses .RHCE certification is in most demand. As per industry reports IBM earns about 60 Billions only on services per year..Most international Indian and Bangalore companies are making money in millions of dollars only in consulting support and services and IT Training .They go by laws of copyright laws and trademarks laws strictly . Basically the project involves three components. consulting support and services and Software and Hardware other infrastructure .These companies provide consulting support and services for all technologies .Once you submit the project it is the customer who finally select the the technology. Now customers go for mix technologies .So companies provide consulting support and services on any technologies let be it be Microsoft or Unix or Linux (may it be Ubuntu or Redhat or Debian or SUSE OR Fedora ) or other technologies .Today it is virtualisation era .On single hardware companies can put in data centers all Linux distributions all versions or any proprietary OS any software free or non free on single server..They can run all Linux distributions at time in single server without rebooting the machine. Service providers are ready to put anything for customers. Even redhat can gain commercially by consulting support and services instead of Locking the front Gate of Gnu Linux distribution called RHEL which is derived version of Fedora is a Linux based operating system that provides users with access to the latest free and open source software, in a stable, secure and easy to manage form. Fedora strongly believe in the bedrock principles that created all the components of operating system, and because of this fedora project guarantee that Fedora will always be free for anybody, anywhere, to use, modify and distribute. Another striking difference of Fedora is its goal to empower others to pursue their vision of what a free operating system should be like. Fedora now forms the basis for derivative distributions such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux , the One Laptop Per Child XO and Creative Commons' Live Content DVDs. But Redhat which makes the derived version of Fedora in the name of RHEL closed the gates for redistribution with a seemingly trademark key and Lock. even though it knows the fundamentals of FLOSS. The funniest part of Redhat policy is GPL fundamentals are OK for Fedora and its gate is open. But not OK for RHEL as its gate is locked .. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (or RHEL) is a commercial derivative of Fedora tailored to meet the requirements of enterprise customers. It is a commercial product from Red Hat which also sponsors Fedora as a community project. Fedora is upstream for Red Hat Enterprise Linux but there are several other derivative distributions available too. Upstream has open gate and downstream is Locked gate. Double standards .Double crossing the community. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RHEL).As general principal what is OK for fedora it should be OK for RHEL. Redhat has two faces .One face for fedora and another face for RHEL. Customers are having brains .The companies should treat them properly. They will ask hundred questions cannot fool them with terminologies .They know what they are buying .Without violating the letter and spirit of GPL Redaht can earn revenue by consulting support and services and training .As it has created huge brand equity for Redhat name and and it was not created by just by Locking the RHEL redistribution .In any case CentOS has already opened the gate of RHEL .There is no harm if redhat opens Locked gates of the RHEL now. Even RHEL is available for down load for user with one month support free. After that customer is not paying he does not get support. Partial gate is already open. from there he can link it to CentOS yum repository. Why all this customers can directly take it from CentOS and connect yum repository of CentOS for updates. RHEL Gate is opened in the name of CentOS. Redhat should understand this public opinion. Instead of forcing the open community for round about forced exercise of making centos why not redhat open the gate in straight manner to satisfy FOSS World. This is result in creating extra work for open community. . I am not against the commercial benefits of FLOSS. It's important to not confuse "FLOSS" and "non-commercial". To see why, let’s first define key terms, “FLOSS” and “commercial”: Please visit http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/commercial-floss.html FLOSS projects give their users many more rights than proprietary products do. Most developers do this with the expectation that others are likely to contribute back to the project (with new/improved code, documentation, bug reports, and so on). Thus, most “non-profit” FLOSS projects are actually trying to achieve financial gain it just happens that they are trying to receive gains of additional/improved software instead of money. As Linux creator Linus Torvalds noted in a 2003 letter to SCO, the U.S. Code Title 17, section 101 (the law that creates and defines copyrights in the U.S.) explicitly defines the term “financial gain” as including “receipt, or expectation of receipt, of anything of value, including the receipt of other copyrighted works.” (Note the irony of a Finnish software engineer having to explain U.S. law to a U.S. Company.) Thus, while FLOSS projects may not receive money directly, they typically do receive something of value in return -- namely, other copyrighted works (improvements). One more different view:Debian is different-Debian may have started out as a Purest GPLed typical Linux distribution, but it is more than pure and purest as described by Linux for you Magazine in recent article.. Other distributions, especially commercial distributions like Red Hat and SUSE, still tend to treat their Linux distribution like more traditional software products. Raw materials, in the form of software from Free / Open Source projects, goes into a black box where it is packaged and prepared by the vendor and comes out as if under cellophane. The companies may provide the source code to their packages, but they lock up their build and distribution processes tight by playing tricks with GPL. They trade the complexity of the build, quality assurance and distribution processes in exchange for money. The upside for their customers; simpler access to Linux. The downside for their customers; dependency on the distribution provider for new technology, quality control and ongoing support. Linking to the http://awtrey.com/tony/foss/debianisdifferent.php My Research work on the question Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL ?shall continue .I shall be collecting different views .Final conclusion shall left to FOSS leaders and Redhat .I know that Redhat will respect majority public opinion. 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