I don't know if this is related, but we have seen situations where we have 
attempted
to send a large quantity of emails simultaneously (around 50 or so) which 
were queued
up in Eudora.  The addresses are all valid, but some are kicked back as 
invalid because
(it seems) IMail can't handle the load.  In Eudora we then resend those 
three or four
(which Eudora keeps queued) and they go out OK.

So perhaps what you are seeing is that you send the batch to the list and IMail
chokes on itself, unable to keep up with the volume of the list.

You could remedy this in CF by doing a CFLOOP through the list and,
say, every 20 or 25 messages, do an embedded loop for a half a second, to 
give IMail the
change to catch up to the submissions.

Any thoughts?

Chris Ulrich


At 04:27 PM 9/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
>We use CF with Imail in an identical way, aside from the fact that we do not
>REQUIRE a response to the confirmation (inital) email from the list.  We do,
>however find a LOT of undeliverable emails.  It gets laughable when we get a
>user who signs up to multiple lists @ the same time on the same form, and we
>got one or two go through and one or two bounce saying its an invalid user!
>So far we have not had a clue as to go about remedying this, given there
>seems to be no rhyme or reason to the bounces.
>
>Bryan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 4:16 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [IMail Forum] (OT) More on the CF/IMail Problem (Long)
>Importance: High
>
>
>Okay.. a couple people wrote me off list so I thought I'd send in some more
>details.  This is really weird so I'm hoping that we can put our noggins
>together and figure out what the problem is.
>
>First of all let me be more specific about what I'm doing.  I host MANY
>mailing lists through my web site.  You can either send email directly to
>the listserv subscribing to a given list, or you can use a form I've built
>in to my list page that will hadle the chore for you.  When you input your
>name and email address and select a list to subscribe to, it automatically
>generates an email (CFMail) to you from the listserv address.  My mail
>server and web server are seperate beasts.
>
>So an email is generated from the web server, is sent to the mail server,
>and sent out to the subscriber.  The email is an autoverification email that
>the subscriber must respond to in order to sub to the list.
>
>When the email goes out it goes out as
>To [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >From [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>The only problem is that a LOT (if not all) these autoverification emails
>get hung up and moved to the undeliverable directory.  This isn;t to say
>that ALL emails get hung up, just some (and since we pump a LOT of email
>through our system daily it ends up being quite a bit).
>
>For instance just a little while ago a gentleman subscribed to a mailing
>list and it hung and ended up getting moved to the undeliverable directory
>on my web server.  When you subscribe to on eof my lists though you are
>automatically subbed to our monthly newsletter as well (this goes out as a
>second email sub request directly to the listserv) and that went through for
>this gentleman.
>
>Here is the error for the hung email:
>"Error","TID=290","09/07/99","18:30:49","Error occurred while attempting to
>send mail message. - [PT_ERROR] General error (550 not local host msn.com,
>not a gateway)  - Sender = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Recipients =
>'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - Undelivered message archived to
>'C:\CFUSION\MAIL\UNDELIVR\CFM17C9.TMP'"
>
>And here is the sub notification that the second subscription went through:
>successful subscribe for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Someone's Name here
>
>This problem also occurs with other email generated from our site.  When you
>enter information to any of the databases in our site it automatcially
>generates an email to us letting us know.  I would say about 80-90% o fthese
>get to us with the other 10-20% getting ctuck in the undeliverable directory
>with the same error above:
>
>"Error","TID=290","09/07/99","18:32:50","Error occurred while attempting to
>send mail message. - [PT_ERROR] General error (550 not local host
>afnetinc.com, not a gateway)  - Sender = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Recipients =
>'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - Undelivered message archived to
>'C:\CFUSION\MAIL\UNDELIVR\CFM17CD.TMP'"
>
>This particular person submits a LOT of data to our site and we get many of
>the forms she generates, but there are also quote a few (like this one
>above) that we don't get.
>
>Now what I would really like to know.  is this an IMail problem, or a
>problem with CF/CFMail?  Keep in mind that I have relay set for local users
>on our mail machine.
>
>-----
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