Hi,

I'm talking about Imail, not ICS.



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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von 
> John T (Lists)
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. September 2006 02:20
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: RE: [IMail Forum] BitDefender stopped updating
> 
> Martin, the SA was for ICS Standard, which at that time 
> included AV. To get
> updates for the AV under Imail Standard you had to have a SA for ICS
> Standard. The BitDefender was OEM under ICS Standard and was 
> integrated, so
> there never was a separate purchase.
> 
> So, if you had a SA for ICS Standard while it included AV 
> from BitDefender,
> you were legally entitiled to those updated signatures from 
> BitDefender. If
> you did not have a SA for ICS Standard, you had no legal 
> right to receive
> those updated signatures.
> 
> If any one in IT does not understand that updates to 
> signatures for any AV
> product are subscription based...
> 
> John T
> eServices For You
> 
> "Seek, and ye shall find!"
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Imail_Forum-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Schaible
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:35 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: AW: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > 
> > Hi Kevin,
> > 
> > I think, the information you posted is wrong.
> > 
> > The SA for AV Standard has nothing to do updating process of the
> signatures.
> > Without an SA the update of the signatures worked over the 
> last years
> > without any interruption.
> > 
> > I don't anybody who bought an SA for AV Standard ever. We 
> never sold one
> to
> > our customers. I'm think an SA was never available, at 
> least not in my
> area.
> > Also the software was never updated, the software is on the 
> same release
> > like in 2004.
> > 
> > IF somebody would own an SA for AV Standard, how would it work? AV
> Standard
> > has no serialisation process, nothing. AV Standard  is a 
> simple software,
> > only a bunch of files. If an SA was available, it was a placebo.
> > 
> > The signature update worked until 26 of june (without an SA) until
> somebody
> > pressed a button. I think, that somebody at Bitdefender 
> realized, that the
> > oem contract with Ipswitch is no longer valid and this was 
> the reason to
> > shutdown the update.
> > 
> > I have no problem to pay a fee for the regular update of 
> the signatures. I
> > have problems to accept, that the update of the signatures 
> was terminated
> > without any announcement. And i have problems to accept 
> angry customers.
> > Anti-Virus protection is important. The only reason we 
> didn't realize this
> > earlier is, that we use AV on our FireWall and an 
> additional Scanner in
> > mxGuard.
> > 
> > 
> > --
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> > Mit freundlichen Grüssen
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> > 
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
> > > Kevin Gillis
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2006 22:18
> > > An: [email protected]
> > > Betreff: RE: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > >
> > > Hello Martin,
> > >
> > > Correct, you can not purchase a service agreement for just AV
> > > Standard.  But
> > > if you purchase an agreement of ICS Standard, that covers 
> one year of
> > > updates.   But note, the AV was pulled out of ICS Standard
> > > over 1 year ago.
> > >
> > >
> > > Without an SA, the Antivirus will continue to work/run but
> > > you no longer
> > > will receive updates.  This is how AV/AS (any vendor who
> > > delivers daily
> > > updates) provides their service.  Otherwise, if customers
> > > could pay once and
> > > then have signatures delivered in perpetuity by the security
> > > vendor, the
> > > security vendor would have a problem;-)
> > >
> > > Bye for now,
> > >
> > > kg
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > Martin Schaible
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 06:26
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: AW: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > >
> > > Hi Kevin,
> > >
> > > For AV Standard, no service agreement is or was available 
> and this has
> > > nothing to do with the update of the signatures. The Software
> > > does not need
> > > any login data to get the newest signatures. So, it should
> > > work. I think,
> > > that bitdefender does not update the url
> > > http://upgrade2.bitdefender.com/update7  anymore.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag 
> von Kevin
> > > > Gillis
> > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2006 12:13
> > > > An: [email protected]
> > > > Betreff: RE: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I will follow up and find out what is available for these
> > > customers.
> > > > But note, whether it's AV from Symantec or AV, if you 
> don't have an
> > > > active Service Agreement, you no longer receive updates.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, if you have ICS Standard, contact me 
> offline and
> > > > we'll make sure this is resolved the right way.
> > > >
> > > > Bye for now,
> > > >
> > > > kg
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin
> > > > Schaible
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 05:23
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: AW: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kevin,
> > > >
> > > > Wrong answer! We have a expiration date on milk and orange
> > > juice, but
> > > > not on software.
> > > >
> > > > Your statement is just not acceptable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > >
> > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im 
> Auftrag von Kevin
> > > > > Gillis
> > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2006 05:25
> > > > > An: [email protected]
> > > > > Betreff: RE: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure whey they stopped specifically in June - We
> > > > > (Ipswitch) stopped
> > > > > selling BitDefender in 2005.
> > > > >
> > > > > To receive updates, you will have to contact SoftWIN 
> directly -
> > > > > http://www.bitdefender.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Bye for now,
> > > > >
> > > > > kg
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Martin
> > > > > Schaible
> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:52
> > > > > To: Ipswitch IMail Mailing List
> > > > > Subject: [IMail Forum] Bitdefender stopped updating
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bitdefender aka "Antivirus Standard for Imail" made the
> > > last update
> > > > > 26. of june 2006. The log says, the no more actual 
> signatures are
> > > > > available. I can't believe, that the company didn't 
> release new
> > > > > signatures since then. I think, that bitdefender does no
> > > > more support
> > > > > the oem version for Imail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody made the same experience? Could Ipswitch make
> > > > a statement
> > > > > about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
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