No argument here... I always prefer more flexibility to less. I guess my primary concern is that the beauty of IMail is in its simplicity - easy install, easy setup, and long periods of reliable, uninterrupted service. That's why I'm careful with my feature requests, since I don't want IMail to turn into an over-engineered piece of crap like MS Exchange, which - in its attempt to be all things to all people - often fails in its core mail server functions. We own licenses for MS Exchange, and we don't use them because IMail serves us with honor - not with aggravation. I'm all for a penalty box, RBL support, and anything else that helps us fight spammers. However, if the addition of all these features means that I'll have to send my admins to a series of $2000 "certification" courses just to understand the system, then I think we've missed the point, and we've diluted what IMail has to offer. There's my 2 cents... don't spend it all in one place. -- *********************************** Jordan Dorf President/CEO TeraLynx Consulting Partners, LLC http://www.teralynx.net *********************************** on 2/7/00 9:36 PM, Ed Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I agree Imail needs RBL support... has for some time. > > The Penalty Box idea is solidly based. Wouldn't it be better to catch the > Spam before it goes out than to staff the people to respond to the anti-Spam > hate mail? and to look inept? > > Remember the amounts and times need to be adjustable. Your are correct one > size doesn't fits all... some systems need a higher limit than others. If > you are getting a lot in a Spool at 25 raise it to 50 and then to 100 until > the number is reduced to a desired amount to reduce false alarms. This is > MUCH better than 10,000's. > > I believe Imail could effectively insert both methods. RBL and Penalty Box. > This would virtually eradicate Spam via Imail. > > -- > Edgar D. Taylor > President/CEO > FIRST Internet Service > 69500 Bannock Rd. > P.O. Box 355 > St.Clairsville, OH. 43950 > Voice: (740) 695-2280 > Fax: (740) 695-7258 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://www.1st.net > -- > Simply 1st in Internet Service! > -- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jordan Dorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Excellent SPAM Solution! (please respond > withcomments) > > > Ed, > > I think your goals are noble, but there isn't any one-size-fits-all rule > that will block spamming attempts. Not that the "penalty box" is a bad > idea... but do you really have the admins to spare in order to make it work? > As you grow, will you be able to sustain the labor costs of having an admin > check and approve each and every mailing above a certain preset limit? I > don't think I would... > > Furthermore, let me give you an example of how this might cause trouble: > > I know several of our customers who - despite the fact that they have list > admin access in their respective IMail hosts - choose to manage their lists > exclusively on the client side, within Outlook or Outlook Express. They > address a message once - to the local list address - and they send it. > Outlook, however, sends the message as if it's addressed to 100, or 200, or > whatever number of users. It's not spam, but the "penalty box" would think > that it was, and a legitimate mailing would be delayed and/or blocked. > > For what it's worth, my view is that IMail will continue to have inferior > spam blocking capabilities until Ipswitch figures out a way to hook it into > the RBL, maintained at http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ . There, you have an > organization that is dedicated to nothing else but hunting and trapping > spammers, and they do a much better job than you, I, or any admin could do. > > There's your challenge, Ipswitch - figure out a hook into the RBL. Other NT > mail servers have it... so, instead of compelling us to switch to a mail > server that sucks, just to get RBL support, please integrate it with IMail. > > Thanks! > > -- > *********************************** > Jordan Dorf > President/CEO > TeraLynx Consulting Partners, LLC > http://www.teralynx.net > *********************************** > > > on 2/7/00 8:29 PM, Ed Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Have SMTP detect mass deliveries determined by a desired limit and then >> delay delivery or even spool the rest of the messages until the Admin gets > a >> chance to clear it (In kind of a Penalty Box)... this would make the > Spammer >> believe he has succeeded and then the Administrator would be able to > cancel >> the remaining Spam before it is even delivered. >> >> For example: >> >> Someone tries to send a Spam via mail.domain.com can be TO or FROM... when > a >> specific IP tries to send more than 25 messages within a certain period of >> time a flag is raised and then any messages beyond that are spooled for a >> certain amount of time or until the SPAM ceases. A warning message is then >> sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or any desired email address that lets the >> Admin know that a Mass Mail attempt may have been made. At this point the >> remainder of the messages are stored in a seperate directory or seperate >> spool until the Admin gets a chance to check these messages. At that point >> the messages can be delivered if legit or deleted if it is SPAM. This > would >> stop all but the first 25 SPAM's if it is SPAM and the person will assume > he >> was successful. Then he/she can be reprimanded and not even be able to >> successfully send their SPAM. It's a WIN-WIN. I wonder why it hasn't been >> done before... I see no negatives to this scenario. Sure the other SPAM >> rules can still be used but this would be a feature that raises IPSwitch >> above the rest in Spam protection. >> >> I would like people to comment on this idea and if it is believed to be > good >> enough IPSwitch should be encouraged to implement it in the next version >> update. >> >> -- >> Edgar D. Taylor >> President/CEO >> FIRST Internet Service >> 69500 Bannock Rd. >> P.O. Box 355 >> St.Clairsville, OH. 43950 >> Voice: (740) 695-2280 >> Fax: (740) 695-7258 >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Web: http://www.1st.net >> -- >> Simply 1st in Internet Service! >> -- >> >> Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >> to be removed from this list. >> > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > to be removed from this list. > > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > to be removed from this list. > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list.
