I just talked with a Tech guy from IPSwitch (Joe I Believe). VERY Knowledgable, nice guy. After tinkering around with our configuration, he talked to a developer and confirmed IMail CANNOT and WILL NOT support ETRN if any Spam protection is on, except for "Accept by IP Address". So if you have yours set to "Relay for Local Hosts Only" and using ETRN, you're SOL, your ETRN will NOT function, even if you add them to the ACCEPT.TXT file, which I believed was the entire reason it's there. Yet another great "feature" of IMail. -Mark McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Siteserver Network! Voice: 800.610.9856, Ext. 231 - Fax: 888.333.2710 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ? The only good MAC is a mac with Linux installed. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Angel Castillo Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 6:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ? Ok, we'll continue this thread since people don't know when to quit :-) Jose, You said "Macs are excellent machines, and if it were not for Apple Microsoft would probably have never developed Windows." I agree that Mac's have their advantages or shall I say Pro's as well as Con's just like any system does but if it wasn't for Xerox the Mac would have never been invented. Second of all, if it wasn't for Microsoft...Apple wouldn't be making money on their apps or probably wouldn't even be in business. In case you didn't know...Microsoft is the biggest make of applications for the Mac OS...so Go Figure! You said "That was only because I was too afraid to admit that as simple as the OS is I did not know how to troubleshoot them well." Well, I'm speaking from experience because I did begin my IT career troubleshooting Mac's & PC's for major ISP's like CompuServe & Southwestern Bell Internet and Mac's aren't as easy as you say they are. In fact, it's easier to get into the guts of a PC vs. Mac. Mac's are idiot proof that's why they grabbed a huge chunk of the Education market. That's a good thing but can also be a bad thing because us knowledgeable IT professionals would rather fix the computer ourselves first before having to call Apple for support. Just because Unix Admins that you know like Mac's doesn't mean they all do...who cares anyway? I don't like Unix, so it doesn't matter to me what Unix Admins like or don't like...to each his own. I like Cisco products but I don't care if they prefer Mac's or were built on Mac technology to begin with....good for them, but it still doesn't do anything for me :-) Yeah, I know NT, Novell, & Mac but just because I don't have a greater variety of OS's that I like to deal with doesn't mean I'm any better than another IT professional who does...it's all about preference. You said: "Cisco Systems was founded on MACS and was only a MAC and UNIX house until the release of Windows 95." YEAH RIGHT...where do you get your info from? Windows 3.x blew away Mac market share since it's release...and you think it was a Mac & Unix dominant world until Windows 95? What rock was you under when all this happened?...ha ha You said: "I hope that we all look at ourselves closely and determine the real reason why we choose to cast stones." I have one thought....then practice what you preach and don't cast stones on what started out ONLY as a joke when I said "Mac's suck". ***This thread is officially done with since I started it...you want to continue then e-mail me directly....it's no big deal*** ------------------------------------- Angel Castillo, MCSE, MCP+I MIS Dept. Jobs.com IMail System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] (214) 273-7629 "When you love what you do...you're alive!" -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ? Importance: High ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No, not all people in IS suck but some do :-)...but nothing compares to how > Mac's suck!...ha ha > > ------------------------------------- Okay I have to give my two cents.. Lets all try and understand one thing. Macs are excellent machines, and if it were not for Apple Microsoft would probably have never developed Windows. When I was a jr. Systems Administrator and all I new well was NT, I thought that Macs sucked too. That was only becuase I was too afraid to admit that as simple as the OS is I did not know how to troubleshoot them well. Over the years I have come to appreacuiate there ease. Many of the Unix Sytems Administrators I had the pleasure of working with at Cisco Systems ( They are the best and brightest ) own Macs and love them but hate Microsoft Windows. Cisco Systems was founded on MACS and was only a MAC and UNIX house until the release of Windows 95. I also disliked Solaris and Linux at first, but it was only because I knew both OS's very little. I now have come to the conclusion that all OS's have Advantages and Disadvanteges and I have learned to respect and appreaciate all of them. I hope that we all look at ourselfes closely and determine the real reason why we choose to cast stones. BTW: I was formally at VA Linux before Cisco Systems. Regards, Jose Medeiros WWW.NTEA.NET MCSE, MCP+I, MCT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No, not all people in IS suck but some do :-)...but nothing compares to how > Mac's suck!...ha ha > > ------------------------------------- Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list.
