hey kettle, you sure are charred
sincerely,
pot

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Innkeeper
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IIS WEB Messaging


Paul,

Glad all is working well with you.  I ran IIS with WSPro for awhile since a
few customers wanted what IIS had.  After the last shennanigan with IIS they
switched to WSPro so I don't run IIS anywhere in my system now (and I am
quite happy with that).  Since Apache released their newest version I
snagged it up quickly since I run a straight NT shop here with no Linux/BSD
or anything else.  I needed something that would run clean and do PHP a bit
cleaner than WSPro.  I have basic sites on the Apache server that require no
more than basic stuff and PHP.  Works well for me :-)

I also run SQL (since I don't like MYSql) and IMail works great for me also.
I am staying away form the .NET framework right now since it looks like it
will open up a lot of holes I would rather not deal with :-)

The reason I asked the other question is that I find that folks who work for
others institute software that requires much maintenance...Those of us who
own businesses use things that require less maintenance :-)

I hope all stays well with you and the M$ stuff...I had BAD experiences with
it so I eliminate as much M$ as I can in my system even though I am an NT
shop :-)

Steve


> I am happy that it is all working good for you. I have been an ISP for 7
> years now Started with
> IIS-3 now running IIS-5 Clustered/Load Balancing with a backend SQL with
> IMAIL. I look at all the post here on Imail And I can just say one thing
> Imail works Great!!. For me Alot better than Sendmail ever did. Just
stared
> playing with .NET framework Cool stuff. Knock on wood never been down for
a
> hole! PS I run an Apache server two for the non MS Folks.
>
> Nice talking to ya
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> NP on the fun side Paul...ASP is handled very well in WSPro and I have had
> no problems at all recently...In version 2.x you had problems with running
> things in NT User Context.....with V3.x that problem has been taken care
> of....I cannot run the laest and greatest of the ASP code but what I run
> takes care of what the customer needs :-)
>
> As far as Apache goes I am running this for folks who have no need of
> anything that deals with M$....It runs PHP just great (as does WSPro) but
no
> Front Page or ASP stuff is on the Apache Server...This is a slick Web
Server
> that doesn't require any stuff beyond what is freely available....
>
>
> > How do you manage ASP code with WebSite Pro?
> > Apache you need to run Wrappers and Chilly soft Yuck :-)
> > To keep the Demons out
> >
> > This is just for fun Now don't get mad
> >
> >
> > I said Apache 2.x first off.....Second off the space you have used on
> Apache
> > Security Problems would be MUCH larger with IIS Holes....
> >
> > I am not saying that any Web Server is immune to holes (though WebSite
Pro
> > is pretty good)...I am saying that IIS has new holes each and every day
> (or
> > at least it seems that way)...
> >
> >
> > > Now come on now
> > > Here is a small list from Apache Bug list
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.24
> > > Win32 Apache Remote command execution CAN-2002-0061
> > > Apache for Win32 before 1.3.24 and 2.0.34-beta allows remote attackers
> to
> > > execute arbitrary commands via parameters passed to batch file CGI
> > scripts.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.22
> > > Requests can cause directory listing to be displayed CAN-2001-0729
> > > A vulnerability was found in the Win32 port of Apache 1.3.20. A client
> > > submitting a very long URI could cause a directory listing to be
> returned
> > > rather than the default index page.
> > >
> > > split-logfile can cause arbitrary log files to be written to
> CAN-2001-0730
> > > A vulnerability was found in the split-logfile support program. A
> request
> > > with a specially crafted Host: header could allow any file with a .log
> > > extension on the system to be written to.
> > >
> > > Multiviews can cause a directory listing to be displayed CAN-2001-0731
> > > A vulnerability was found when Multiviews are used to negotiate the
> > > directory index. In some configurations, requesting a URI with a
> > > QUERY_STRING of M=D could return a directory listing rather than the
> > > expected index page.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.20
> > > Denial of service attack on Win32 and OS2
> > > A vulnerability was found in the Win32 and OS2 ports of Apache 1.3. A
> > client
> > > submitting a carefully constructed URI could cause a General
Protection
> > > Fault in a child process, bringing up a message box which would have
to
> be
> > > cleared by the operator to resume operation. This vulnerability
> introduced
> > > no identified means to compromise the server other than introducing a
> > > possible denial of service.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.19
> > > Requests can cause directory listing to be displayed CAN-2001-0925
> > > The default installation can lead mod_negotiation and mod_dir or
> > > mod_autoindex to display a directory listing instead of the multiview
> > > index.html file if a very long path was created artificially by using
> many
> > > slashes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.14
> > > Rewrite rules that include references allow access to any file
> > CVE-2000-0913
> > > The Rewrite module, mod_rewrite, can allow access to any file on the
web
> > > server. The vulnerability occurs only with certain specific cases of
> using
> > > regular expression references in RewriteRule directives. If the
> > destination
> > > of a RewriteRule contains regular expression references then an
attacker
> > > will be able to access any file on the server.
> > >
> > > Mass virtual hosting allows access to any file
> > > A security problem exists in the handling of Host: headers in mass
> virtual
> > > hosting configurations. Under certain circumstances an attacker can
> access
> > > any file on the server.
> > >
> > > Mass virtual hosting can display CGI source
> > > A security problem for users of the mass virtual hosting module,
> > > mod_vhost_alias, causes the source to a CGI to be sent if the cgi-bin
> > > directory is under the document root. However, it is not normal to
have
> > your
> > > cgi-bin directory under a document root.
> > >
> > > Requests can cause directory listing to be displayed on NT
CVE-2000-0505
> > > A security hole on NT allows a user to view the listing of a directory
> > > instead of the default HTML page by sending a carefully constructed
> > request.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.12
> > > Cross-site scripting can reveal private session information
> > > Apache was vulnerable to cross site scripting issues. It was shown
that
> > > malicious HTML tags can be embedded in client web requests if the
server
> > or
> > > script handling the request does not carefully encode all information
> > > displayed to the user. Using these vulnerabilities attackers could,
for
> > > example, obtain copies of your private cookies used to authenticate
you
> to
> > > other sites.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.11
> > > Mass virtual hosting security issue
> > > A security problem can occur for sites using mass name-based virtual
> > hosting
> > > (using the new mod_vhost_alias module or with special mod_rewrite
> rules).
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.4
> > > Denial of service attack on Win32
> > > There have been a number of important security fixes to Apache on
> Windows.
> > > The most important is that there is much better protection against
> people
> > > trying to access special DOS device names (such as "nul").
> > >
> > >
> > > Fixed in Apache httpd 1.3.2
> > > Multiple header Denial of Service vulnerability CAN-1999-1199
> > > A serious problem exists when a client sends a large number of headers
> > with
> > > the same header name. Apache uses up memory faster than the amount of
> > memory
> > > required to simply store the received data itself. That is, memory use
> > > increases faster and faster as more headers are received, rather than
> > > increasing at a constant rate. This makes a denial of service attack
> based
> > > on this method more effective than methods which cause Apache to use
> > memory
> > > at a constant rate, since the attacker has to send less data.
> > >
> > > Denial of service attacks
> > > Apache 1.3.2 has better protection against denial of service attacks.
> > These
> > > are when people make excessive requests to the server to try and
prevent
> > > other people using it. In 1.3.2 there are several new directives which
> can
> > > limit the size of requests (these directives all start with the word
> > Limit).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have a question/ Thought.
> > > >
> > > > We all know the issues with web messaging. Why does IPSWITCH
continue
> to
> > > > build their own web messing server. Why not just write code to
operate
> > > > through IIS.
> > >
> > > A few thoughts on this one:
> > >
> > > 1)  IIS is full of Security Holes (10 new ones just announced)
> > >
> > > 2)  Apache just released 2.x for NT that is Native Win32
> > >
> > > 3)  Many folks use things other than IIS (I use WebSite Pro)
> > >




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