Len,
I appreciate your candidness :).  I'm looking for a solution to this, and
while I'm going through RFC to fully understand the implications...how do I
solve this issue?  

The [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends an email from our web application,  the From:
field is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and the Reply To: is
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  How do I let the end user know if there email was an
NDR?  Should I build a custom solution to forward the NDR's that come back
to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and forward them to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"?

Thanks,
Dan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Conrad
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Non-Delivery Email Forward To "Reply To:"
> 
> 
> >Is there a way to then have IMAIL forward an NDR to the Reply To, 
> >automatically?  The deal is that, the "Reply To: user generates this 
> >email in a web application and when it doesn't get delivered 
> it would 
> >be better to let them know, rather than US - 
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> 
> Sorry, logic doesn't apply here. The insanity is rampant.    
> Don't leave 
> web application coders who are working with SMTP work without close 
> supervision or without a system design.    Knowledges a 
> language's syntax 
> does not correlate with knowledge of SMTP and DNS.
> 
> rfc822
> 
> 
>   <http://rfc.net/rfc822.html#s4.3.1.>4.3.1.  RETURN-PATH
> 
>          This field  is  added  by  the  final  transport  
> system  that
>          delivers  the message to its recipient.  The field 
> is intended
>          to contain definitive information about the address 
> and  route
>          back to the message's originator.
> 
>          Note:  The "Reply-To" field is added  by  the  
> originator  and
>                 serves  to  direct  replies,  whereas the 
> "Return-Path"
>                 field is used to identify a path back to  the 
>  origina-
>                 tor.
> 
>          While the syntax  indicates  that  a  route  
> specification  is
>          optional,  every attempt should be made to provide 
> that infor-
>          mation in this field.
> 
> 
> more at http://rfc.giga.net.tw/rfc2822, 
> www.networksorcery.com, etc, etc.
> 
> 
> ===================
> 
> Web apps (form capture, etc) are innumerable offenders of RFC 
> by using undeliverable/unverifiable  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], and other bogus return-path fields, 
> as well as using stupid SMTP client routines that send direct 
> to MXs and often retry in tight loops generating 1000's of 
> connections to an MX in a short period, or don't retry at 
> all, and that don't notify anybody of the delivery failures, 
> rather than the app's SMTP client relaying through an MTA.
> 
> MXs doing SAV will reject the messages since the 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is undeliverable (MX of sender.domain 
> says "5xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] is unknown recipient) or 
> unverifiable (MX and A of sender.domain not reachable)
> 
> Len
> 
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