On 05/05/2014 04:36 PM, Elliott Plack wrote:
Andrew,
I loaded your data into JOSM and its really something! Good work. I think
if you poke around, you'll see that many of the place=* places have already
been imported by the GNIS import. Most of them will be (perhaps
incorrectly) place=hamlet, unless another editor upgraded them.
For instance, the town of Northfield (where I briefly lived) has a node
with the proper attributes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/158851899
Yes, my original plan was to remove these nodes and put place=* on the
boundary relations. After discussion on the list, I will instead leave
these nodes untouched and not have place=* on the relations.
Now, I just noticed in your data the names include the census place type,
like Northfield *Village, *Barton *Village, *etc. I believe those are place
types and not the actual administrative name. in the census data, they
spell the types with lowercase to indicate this (I believe). Head to
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/index.xhtml and type in
"Northfield vi" and you'll see what I mean. Perhaps you want to look into
that.
For all of the ones I've checked, the legal name is actually "Village of
____". See for example
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=24APPENDIX&Chapter=221
"The inhabitants of the Village of Essex Junction, within the corporate
limits as now established, shall continue to be a municipal corporation
by the name of the Village of Essex Junction."
On the other hand, the same applies to towns and cities:
"The inhabitants of the Town of Colchester, within the corporate limits
now established, shall continue to be a municipal corporation by the
name of the Town of Colchester."
...and that seems more appropriate for the official_name= tag.
So as for what to do with the name= tag, I think it needs to be decided
on a case-by-case basis. And that's going to be hard.
In the data as provided by VCGI:
* All villages have the word "Village" appended, except for "South
Ryegate Village Lighting District"
* All towns and cities have no words appended, except
** St. Albans City
** St. Albans Town
** Rutland City
Some of these obviously don't match to normal usage, like Derby Center:
there is only one thing named Derby Center, the village so everyone just
calls it "Derby Center". Some of them do seem to match to normal usage,
like Groton Village: in the Groton Town Plan
<http://www.grotonvt.com/Planning/Groton%20Town%20Plan%20Approved%20August%202009.pdf>,
they use the term "Groton Village" several times.
Some are more nuanced, like St. Albans. The specifier is usually left
off, but is used when needed. For Rutland, "Rutland" could refer to
either, "Rutland Town" would be sometimes used, but "Rutland City" would
never be used.
I'll think about what to do here, and I'm open to suggestions
--Andrew
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