Dear Michael,
Dear readers of the imports mailinglist,
as mentioned in the bottom of the mail which I sent a few minutes ago, towards
the import mailing list: contact between me and the ORM team got disturbed for
some reason. I think that my emails towards them didn't reach the ORM team
properly.
I'm glad that Michael mailed me today and I'll restart my contact with ORM
(first through Michael and perhaps later through the ORM mailinglist that
apparently exists) in order to write a new and more solid import proposal.
Kind regards,
Jeroen
> Op 27 mrt. 2015 om 21:43 heeft Michael Reichert <naka...@gmx.net> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> *TL;DR* I myself (one of the OpenRailwayMap developers) absolutely
> oppose a proposed railway import in the Netherlands.
>
>
> Dear Jeroen, dear readers of Imports and OpenRailwayMap mailing list,
>
> I have heard and read that you tried to import railway data in the
> Netherlands.
>
> I myself (one of the developers of OpenRailwayMap) am against importing
> railway data. OpenStreetMap is not a 0-Euro data center for geodata. OSM
> is a project where /people/ collect data and care for it.
>
> Because the Netherlands already have mapped railway lines, you have to
> preserve the objects' history if you import railway data. This makes an
> mechanical import is nearly impossible.
>
> That's why I suggest you to do it differently. Set up a WMS or TMS
> offering some of the data. The WMS/TMS can be used at JOSM. The mappers
> can use this service if they improve a railway line or station. They
> correct/improve existing data and preserve the objects' history.
>
> We have several of these "WMS imports" in Germany and Austria. Usually a
> state surveying authority allowed us to use their WMS service to derive
> data. Some examples are City of Berlin, City of Hamburg, State of North
> Rhine-Westphalia or basemap.at in Austria. Mappers usually derive
> geometry of objects from these services while adding additional data
> which they surveyed in field.
>
> This type of import would be much slower but better in the long term.
> People only start mapping if they see a (nearly) blank map or missing
> data. This effect has worked perfectly in Russia (where there seems
> supposedly be no better map) and Germany. At the moment German railway
> mappers experience the same effect at detailed railway mapping (speed
> limits, signals, milestones, …). Deutsche Bahn (Germany's national
> railway company) refuse to publish any piece of data. I have found some
> newbies, who started mapping a few months ago and did railway edits from
> day 1, for the last months while mapping railway stuff. This happens if
> people miss data.
>
> If you import all data, you won't get such a large community. People
> only care for the data they mapped themself ("their own things"). They
> will keep these data up-to-data. If you imported these data, they
> cannot/won't do it because they did not map it and did not join OSM.
>
> Railway infrastructure is changing day by day (like highway
> infrastructure does this, too). You need a large number of mappers if
> your data shall be up-to-data.
>
> My suggestion: Set up an WMS service which offers a rendering of all
> tracks and milestones of ProRail (maybe different colours for different
> track types).
>
> You should think about a tagging scheme before starting signal mapping
> in the Netherlands. Every country has a different railway signalling system.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
> (Nakaner)
>
>
> PS Sorry for starting a new thread. I joined the list after the initial
> discussion about this import.
>
>
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