By statute, the supported CAF service is voice. The provision of broadband is a condition to receiving CAF support. So, yes, CAF recipients need to offer voice. Also, if you wanted to have your area treated as “served” and thus not available for CAF, you needed to show on Form 477 that you provide both voice AND broadband. If you did not report voice, then the area would be treated as “unserved” for CAF purposes.
The maps used to generate the CAF areas were based on form 477 data and everyone knows they are out of date and inaccurate. That’s why WISPA is trying to improve the data collection process without increasing reporting burdens on small WISPs. That’s what this letter is about: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10220396613512/WCB%20Ex%20Parte%20Form%20477%20Follow-up.pdf. NTIA has a little money to create an improved map, so there is a little rivalry going on. (Don’t get me started…). Can CAF support be used to acquire spectrum? I’d rather not answer that on a list like this. There is nuance…. Stephen E. Coran Lerman Senter PLLC<http://www.lermansenter.com/> |2001 L Street, NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 202-416-6744 (o) | 202-669-3288 (m) | sco...@lermansenter.com<mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com> |@stevecoran – twitter From: Tyson Burris [mailto:t...@franklinisp.net] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 5:32 PM To: indiana@wispa.org Cc: Coran, Steve Subject: Re: [Indiana] Indiana Digest, Vol 71, Issue 3 Brian, For CAF Phase 1 you are correct. 477 is pointless (my words) if you don’t provide voice. Steve Coran said we could be overbuilt in that circumstance. It doesn’t mean you have to sell it to them as you posted. It just needs to be made available for purchase. For CAF Phase 2 I don’t recall but I thought the voice requirement was removed. I may be wrong. Maybe Steve can jump in? I DO and will continue to disagree with the use of 477 data. I literally had a congressman in my office a couple weeks ago admit the FCC is handing money out based on worthless and inaccurate data. If they were operating on real time data being turned in monthly that would be a game changer. As far as the money Indiana is handing out (not caf 2), I feel like the state using the federal maps is an absolute joke and reminds me of the old saying “the blind leading the blind”. The state needs to stop immediately and fund the Indiana broadband map again. Indiana did it right when it was funded and Amanda had us all getting her data. If not she was calling you. I think some WISPs based CAF2 deployments on favorable 3.65 decisions. Steve May be able to say if funding can be used to bid on spectrum in the future auction. I for one have seen tons of competition move in based on tax money being handed out. It has had zero affect on our growth or deployment plans. In terms of the second item Justin mentioned I haven’t heard anything like that yet but it wouldn’t surprise me. If a winner is suddenly telling other WISPs, businesses or future customers they are the only option or now have rights to access certain things or to get the hell out altogether (Basically being a bully)... I would be curious to know who is doing this. Those are very dangerous claims to make that could result in legal action or having funding removed. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr.<x-apple-data-detectors://1/1> Franklin, IN 46131<x-apple-data-detectors://1/1> 317-738-0320<tel:317-738-0320> Daytime # 317-412-1540<tel:317-412-1540> Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net VIA WIRELESS On Nov 12, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Brian Gray <brian.g...@joinkllc.com<mailto:brian.g...@joinkllc.com>> wrote: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that you must offer voice to mark an area ineligible for CAF. So, even if you're reporting broadband coverage, unless you offer voice, CAF may provide funding to your area. I believe OOMA and some of the other VOIP services helps you to check the box that voice is available if you don't want to figure out how to do it on your own. I don't know that you necessarily have to have any customers using voice, so you can be "comparably priced" to urban areas, but not necessarily cheap or actively trying to market to customers. Consult your telecom attorney to be certain. 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Today's Topics: 1. CAF money and You (Justin Wilson) 2. CAF money and You (Justin Wilson) 3. Re: CAF money and You (Justin Wilson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:49:53 -0500 From: Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net>> Subject: [Indiana] CAF money and You To: "<indiana@wispa.org<mailto:indiana@wispa.org>>" <indiana@wispa.org<mailto:indiana@wispa.org>> Message-ID: <8c91075a-fa2c-4d85-a168-7cdeba295...@mtin.net<mailto:8c91075a-fa2c-4d85-a168-7cdeba295...@mtin.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As many of you know the latest round of VAF money has been awarded. Congratulations to all of the folks in Indiana who have been awarded money. I am seeing quite a bit of confusion around the inter webs. To clarify some things. 1. Much of the information on where broadband wasn?t available is based on form 477. If you aren?t filing that?s your fault. The government only knows what they are told in this regard. 2. Just because money was awarded in an area doesn?t mean the award winner has ?rights? to the customers in that area. This is still a free market society. If you are an award winner and telling folks this please stop. This is an FTC violation and can also be reported to the FCC. Let?s keep this all on the up and up. WISPs are at the forefront here and it?s time to show the FCC WISPs are able to play with the big boys. 3.The CAF money had nothing to do with the upcoming 3.65 auctions. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net> <mailto:j...@mtin.net> www.mtin.net<http://www.mtin.net> <http://www.mtin.net/> www.midwest-ix.com<http://www.midwest-ix.com> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/private/indiana/attachments/20181112/33cb892b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:50:23 -0500 From: Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net>> Subject: [Indiana] CAF money and You To: "<indiana@wispa.org<mailto:indiana@wispa.org>>" <indiana@wispa.org<mailto:indiana@wispa.org>> Message-ID: <de9f0bd9-0a74-4758-9908-881877e58...@mtin.net<mailto:de9f0bd9-0a74-4758-9908-881877e58...@mtin.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As many of you know the latest round of VAF money has been awarded. Congratulations to all of the folks in Indiana who have been awarded money. I am seeing quite a bit of confusion around the inter webs. To clarify some things. 1. Much of the information on where broadband wasn?t available is based on form 477. If you aren?t filing that?s your fault. The government only knows what they are told in this regard. 2. Just because money was awarded in an area doesn?t mean the award winner has ?rights? to the customers in that area. This is still a free market society. If you are an award winner and telling folks this please stop. This is an FTC violation and can also be reported to the FCC. Let?s keep this all on the up and up. WISPs are at the forefront here and it?s time to show the FCC WISPs are able to play with the big boys. 3.The CAF money had nothing to do with the upcoming 3.65 auctions. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net> <mailto:j...@mtin.net> www.mtin.net<http://www.mtin.net> <http://www.mtin.net/> www.midwest-ix.com<http://www.midwest-ix.com> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Distributed Fabric > On Nov 12, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Justin Wilson > <j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net>> wrote: > > As many of you know the latest round of VAF money has been awarded. > Congratulations to all of the folks in Indiana who have been awarded money. > I am seeing quite a bit of confusion around the inter webs. To clarify some > things. > > 1. Much of the information on where broadband wasn?t available is based on > form 477. If you aren?t filing that?s your fault. The government only knows > what they are told in this regard. > > 2. Just because money was awarded in an area doesn?t mean the award winner > has ?rights? to the customers in that area. This is still a free market > society. If you are an award winner and telling folks this please stop. > This is an FTC violation and can also be reported to the FCC. Let?s keep > this all on the up and up. 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