Good morning Vijayasankar Ji I should add that the leaf features i have mentioned are based on mature leaves of *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera* and newly formed leaves on *M. cochinchinensis* seedling.
I still do not know how the entire seed of *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera* looks like. Page 6 of http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf document shows seed of *M. cochinchinensis* and *M. charantia*. Thank you very much. Regards, surajit On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Vijayasankar <vijay.botan...@gmail.com>wrote: > Great! Thanks Surajit ji for the useful descriptions and pictures! eFI is > getting enriched with such diagnostic details. > > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, surajit koley < > surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> I write a few more points, besdies the keys already discussed in various >> threads, that i observed in the two species - >> 1) leaves are lobed in *M. cochinchinensis*, unlike *M. subangulata* var. >> *renigera* >> 2) lamina is glabrous on both sides in *M. cochinchinensis*, while it is >> slightly scabrous in the other >> 3) spines on fruits are different and inter spacing differs (already >> discussed in another thread) >> 4) we cut and ate both species, green fruits are rather hard in * >> cochinchinensis* and slightly bitter tasted, while it is not at all >> bitter in *renigera* >> * >> * >> I am attaching seed photos of *M. cochinchinensis* ( tallies with the >> photo in pdf - http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf), >> i will take photographs of entire seed of *M. subangulata* var. *renigera >> *. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Vijayasankar ji >>> There should be no doubt about this after real M. cochinchinensis was >>> found by Surajit ji in the thread linked below >>> I already had photographs with me (rather purchased online) of >>> semimature yellow and red mature fruit. >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Kakrol/indiantreepix/lSutUfvKQ5I/yCA9HJQrYYkJ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Vijayasankar >>> <vijay.botan...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I think this is *M. cochinchinensis*, too. >>>> I remember seeing this species in Gujarat. The fruits are nearly >>>> spherical, of a cricket ball size, and the pulp is reddish orange when >>>> ripe. >>>> The fruits in the posted pictures may be young and unripe. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>> University of Mississippi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:42 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Finally concluded as M. subangulata subsp. renigera as per discussions >>>>> in another >>>>> thread<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/bNPuXOsu1y4> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: surajit koley <surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: 15 June 2013 21:51 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:157771] Hooghly Today : Momordica subangulata >>>>> ssp. renigera ? >>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This plant is growing beside TULSI-MANCH. >>>>> According to owner it gives fruits every year. >>>>> I didn't have much time, but a short scan gave me no glands on petiole. >>>>> Neither i could examine the flower or bract. >>>>> It is edible as vegetable. >>>>> The KAAKROL in the market often grows bigger than this size. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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