Good morning No.1. Did i ever claim that *Araucaria* grows wild in India? No.2. Is there any rule that plants introduced by the British or other Nationals can't be wild?
In the link http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph27.htm identifying characters, based on bark, leaves..... can be found on different *Araucaria*. The leaves of my post https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Yf0uOtoFmeA look like that of *A. heterophylla* and FoC features the plant - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102440. But the problem is many fold - none of the sites gives graphical detail on leaves of *A. columnaris*, we do not have details on difference between the two, I have been watching my trees regularly but the bark of these trees yet to exfoliate, an identifying character in http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph27.htm. Thank you Have a nice day.... On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > There is no Araucaria found in wild in India. All of them were introduced > to indian gardens during or after British. > All info on indian biodiversity portal are from garden. > Pankaj > > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:30 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, Raman ji, >> Following links say otherwise: >> >> Gardening in >> India<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=nt0k-zQzllwC&pg=PA487&dq=Araucaria+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ke2rUpKPL8aGrgfD94GADA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Araucaria%20%2B%20india&f=false> >> By >> George Marshall Woodrow, G Marshall (1999- *Araucaria >> bidwillii*<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araucariaceae/araucaria/araucaria-bidwillii>, >> *Araucaria* *cookii* R.Br. ex Endl. >> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of *Araucaria >> columnaris* (G.Forst.) >> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >> *Araucaria* *excelsa* (Lamb.) R.Br. >> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of >> *Araucaria* *columnaris* (G.Forst.) >> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >> *Araucaria cunninghamii* Aiton ex >> D.Don<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14352> >> ) >> ------------------------------ >> Trees of Delhi: A Field >> Guide<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=vw9IDLLkWtEC&pg=PA328&dq=Araucaria+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ke2rUpKPL8aGrgfD94GADA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Araucaria%20%2B%20india&f=false> >> By >> Pradip Krishen (2006- Identifying Delhi's Christmas tree- Araucaria >> columnaris<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araucariaceae/araucaria/araucaria-columnaris>& >> not *Araucaria >> heterophylla*) >> ------------------------------ >> Floriculture in >> India<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=2H4-39ZufiEC&pg=PA197&dq=Araucaria+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ke2rUpKPL8aGrgfD94GADA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Araucaria%20%2B%20india&f=false> >> By >> Gurcharan Singh Randhawa, Amitabha Mukhopadhyay (1986- *Araucaria >> bidwillii*<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araucariaceae/araucaria/araucaria-bidwillii>, >> *Araucaria* *cookii* R.Br. ex Endl. >> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of *Araucaria >> columnaris* (G.Forst.) >> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >> *Araucaria* *excelsa* (Lamb.) R.Br. >> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of >> *Araucaria* *columnaris* (G.Forst.) >> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >> *Araucaria cunninghamii* Aiton ex >> D.Don<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14352> >> ) >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> On 14 December 2013 19:29, Raman Arunachalam <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> *Araucaria heterophylla* >>> >>> *is there in Lalbagh, Bangalore* >>> >>> *I have provided links for it.* >>> >>> *Ramna* >>> >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Surajit ji for raising the query about distribution of species of >>> *Araucaria* in India, and for the information you found with your study. >>> Thanks to all for putting your thoughts in this post. >>> Thanks to you too Garg ji for your study and thoughts. >>> >>> When I posted this lone burnt out photo - I was under the impression >>> that in Mumbai gardens there would be one species which is popular and >>> planted as an ornamental Christmas tree. My assumption seems to be totally >>> wrong ! >>> >>> While the study is welcome, the identification of plant in the post >>> seems to be logically and scientifically not a good idea. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> As per my search, the following species are cultivated in India & >>>> *Araucaria >>>> heterophylla *may not be growing in India (One can see the details by >>>> clicking on the links). I think we need to check & correct our postings of >>>> *Araucaria >>>> heterophylla *so far on the group: >>>> >>>> >>>> Gardening in >>>> India<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=nt0k-zQzllwC&pg=PA487&dq=Araucaria+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ke2rUpKPL8aGrgfD94GADA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Araucaria%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>> By >>>> George Marshall Woodrow, G Marshall (1999- *Araucaria >>>> bidwillii*<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araucariaceae/araucaria/araucaria-bidwillii>, >>>> *Araucaria* *cookii* R.Br. ex Endl. >>>> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of *Araucaria >>>> columnaris* (G.Forst.) >>>> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >>>> *Araucaria* *excelsa* (Lamb.) R.Br. >>>> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of >>>> *Araucaria* *columnaris* (G.Forst.) >>>> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >>>> *Araucaria cunninghamii* Aiton ex >>>> D.Don<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14352> >>>> ) >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Trees of Delhi: A Field >>>> Guide<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=vw9IDLLkWtEC&pg=PA328&dq=Araucaria+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ke2rUpKPL8aGrgfD94GADA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Araucaria%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>> By >>>> Pradip Krishen (2006- Identifying Delhi's Christmas tree- Araucaria >>>> columnaris<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araucariaceae/araucaria/araucaria-columnaris>& >>>> not *Araucaria >>>> heterophylla*) >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Floriculture in >>>> India<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=2H4-39ZufiEC&pg=PA197&dq=Araucaria+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ke2rUpKPL8aGrgfD94GADA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Araucaria%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>>> By >>>> Gurcharan Singh Randhawa, Amitabha Mukhopadhyay (1986- *Araucaria >>>> bidwillii*<https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/araucariaceae/araucaria/araucaria-bidwillii>, >>>> *Araucaria* *cookii* R.Br. ex Endl. >>>> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of *Araucaria >>>> columnaris* (G.Forst.) >>>> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >>>> *Araucaria* *excelsa* (Lamb.) R.Br. >>>> synonym<http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym>of >>>> *Araucaria* *columnaris* (G.Forst.) >>>> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14348>, >>>> *Araucaria cunninghamii* Aiton ex >>>> D.Don<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-14352> >>>> ) >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Species with description & keys in Flora of >>>> Pakistan<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=102440>: >>>> *Araucaria **columnaris* (Forster)Hook. >>>> f.<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242426707> >>>> *Araucaria **cunninghamii* >>>> Sweet,<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200005238> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Species with distribution in annotated checklist of Flowering plants >>>> of >>>> Nepal<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=102440>: >>>> *Araucaria **bidwillii* >>>> Hook.<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200005237> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11 December 2013 07:47, surajit koley <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good morning Satish Sir >>>>> >>>>> Thank you so much for this very interesting as well as enlightening >>>>> quote. I wondered if it was possible to id an *Araucaria* merely by >>>>> general appearance, without details on bark, leaves, cones etc. As i >>>>> searched the Indian species i came across - >>>>> >>>>> 1. *bidwillii* - http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/242955 >>>>> 2. *angustifolia* - >>>>> http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/228765 >>>>> 3. *cunninghamii* - >>>>> http://indiabiodiversity.org/observation/show/303968 >>>>> 4. *columnaris* - http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/242956 >>>>> >>>>> One site informed *heterophylla* is close relative to *columnaris*. >>>>> and i was wondering how to differentiate them - >>>>> http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph27.htm >>>>> >>>>> Have a nice day >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Satish Phadke >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly this type of question I was expecting during the fortnightly >>>>>> episode not only about this but other species of gymnosperms too. >>>>>> I have gathered some of the information about Gymnosperms from a very >>>>>> interesting book : *"The secret Life of Trees" by Colin Tudge.* >>>>>> I would like to quote a sentence from the book related to above >>>>>> matter. >>>>>> India is strangely deprived of wild,native conifers. Conifers grow >>>>>> very well in India - in plantations. But apart from a few Eurasian types >>>>>> on >>>>>> the Himalayas, the only living native is *Nageia wallichiana* of the >>>>>> southern hemisphere podocarp family in the Western ghats in the southwest >>>>>> of the country. >>>>>> He further says that..... >>>>>> The reson might behistorical. India was wiped clean about 60 million >>>>>> years ago by the huge deccan volcanoes, which buried a greater part of >>>>>> the >>>>>> subcontinent in lava.The angiosperms, by then well established, seem to >>>>>> have been the first to get back in to the devastated land(although this >>>>>> idea clearly does not chime well with the conifers' reputation as >>>>>> outstanding pioneers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10 December 2013 07:49, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> May I know how many and what species of *Araucaria* can be found in >>>>>>> our country and how to identify them? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 3 December 2013 00:27 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:176247] Gymnosperms fortnight :: >>>>>>>> Araucariaceae » ¿ Araucaria ? in a garden of Mumbai :: DV07 >>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gymnosperms fortnight >>>>>>>> Araucariaceae ... araucaria family >>>>>>>> ¿ *Araucaria* ? sp. >>>>>>>> Dear friends, I hope this burnt photo gives a clue - hoping it to >>>>>>>> be species of *Araucaria*.at Chota Kashmir garden, Mumbai on 11 >>>>>>>> MAR 07 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F423937081%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdM6uQRuCTiqadJE0iFDwapSN5eRg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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