GRIN <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423673> (updated in 2007) gives *Ochna* *obtusata* DC. var. *gamblei* (King ex Brandis) Kanis as a syn. of *Ochna gamblei *King ex Brandis <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423868>
As per The Plant List Ver. 1.1, *Ochna gamblei *King ex Brandis <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2399902> is unresolved. Various references under *Ochna* <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna>, also give it as an accepted name. On 15 May 2015 at 22:12, surajit koley <surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir, > > Does it mean we have only *Ochna obtusata* DC., without any var.? > > Thank you > > Regards > > surajit > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <tchak...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You have to see the following reference and what they say about the >> delimitation; if not satisfied, then you have to see the original >> descriptions and types of all the entities: >> Safui & M.P. Nayar in Hajra et al., Fl. India 4: 429. 1997. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:46 PM, surajit koley < >> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much Sir. >>> >>> Anurag Ji, >>> >>> I am unable to answer your Q.3. In college I/we didn't learn taxonomy to >>> genus or species level, our syllabus covered identification of a few family >>> only. >>> If i google "coriaceous leaf" it gives these pictures >>> <https://www.google.co.in/search?q=coriaceous+leaf&biw=1366&bih=643&sout=1&tbm=isch&ei=8BVWVfWyGoKPuASA_4G4Cw&start=0&sa=N> >>> . >>> "Waxy leaf" should be something like leaves of *Colocasia esculenta* (L.) >>> Schott >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=107697#KEY-1-4> >>> . >>> >>> KEY in Flora of Karnataka (you have attached) informs leaves of var. >>> *gamblei* are glaucous. So you have now waxy-glaucous leaves just like >>> the colocasia above. I think you can go with *Ochna obtusata* var. >>> * gamblei* >>> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> >>> (Brandis) >>> Kanis >>> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> >>> . >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <tchak...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is why taxonomic revisions become necessary. >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Anurag Sharma <anurag.op...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Tapas sir, Surajit sir, Promila ma'am. >>>>> >>>>> 1) Surajit sir, when I first posted this plant, I did not have access >>>>> to some local flora which could have helped. I recently got a copy. Here >>>>> is >>>>> attached the key to species of Ochna in Karnataka (From Fl. Karnataka C.J. >>>>> Saldanha). This was published in the 1970s. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Based on the key, would you agree that this comes close to *Ochna >>>>> obtusata* var.* gamblei* (Brandis) Kanis? This name does not appear >>>>> in the plantlist. My reasoning is (as per my observation)- leaves are >>>>> around 6 cm long, Petals 2-2.3 cm long, most of the leaves rounded at apex >>>>> and obscurely serrate. >>>>> >>>>> 3) And as for the texture of leaves, I am afraid I do not know the >>>>> difference between coriaceous and waxy. Don't all leathery leaves seem >>>>> waxy >>>>> too and vice versa? >>>>> >>>>> 4) Please also see the last attachment from K.M Matthew's flora of >>>>> Tamil Nadu Carnatic in which *Ochna obtusata* var *obtusata* is >>>>> clubbed with *Ochna squarrosa* L. In this case, please see the >>>>> description of *Ochna squarrosa *L. >>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Ochna%20squarrosa/Ochna%20squarrosa.jpg> >>>>> from Bangalore Flora in which the leaf apex is listed as acute = same as >>>>> in *Ochna >>>>> obtusata* var. *obtusata* description in Flora of Karnataka and >>>>> diagram in Flora of Tamil Nadu Carnatic. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know what you make of this sir. >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Promila Chaturvedi < >>>>> thegardener.chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It may be Ocna squerosa-Ramdhan Champa >>>>>> Promila >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly Sir, that's why I wrote "All these are features of *Ochna >>>>>>> squarrosa* L. of Flora of British India". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I also noted in FBI one of its synonyms was *O. obtustata* DC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, I do not know what are the differences between *squarrosa* L. >>>>>>> and *squarrosa* non L. Neither do I know if this plant is the type >>>>>>> species or any var. or some other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, as I read my points I wrote in earlier mail I notice there >>>>>>> is some mistake in point 3, it should be "sepals not much shorter than >>>>>>> petals". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>> tchak...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So far as my knowledge goes, Ochna obtusata is different and >>>>>>>> distinct from O. squarrosa. Of course, O. squarrosa sensu FBI, non L. >>>>>>>> belongs here. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> TC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh! yes, there is naming issue >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna/ochna-obtusata> >>>>>>>>> Sir. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>>>> tchak...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It looks like Ochna obtusata. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> TC. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I received this mail on 23rd last month. To my surprise it also >>>>>>>>>>> remains untouched. I will try with my century and half old lit., >>>>>>>>>>> for FoC or >>>>>>>>>>> FoP or eFI doesn't provide me KEY. I wonder why my modern equipped >>>>>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>>>>> remain silent! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The features I find here are - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - a tree (maybe a large shrub) >>>>>>>>>>> - flowers are relatively large >>>>>>>>>>> - sepals not much larger than petals >>>>>>>>>>> - anthers many time longer than short filaments >>>>>>>>>>> - style exceeding (not much though) stamens >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All these are features of *Ochna squarrosa* L. of Flora of >>>>>>>>>>> British India. Leaf shape and margin serration vary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But, as I said these are old lit., we need modern materials, our >>>>>>>>>>> modern eFI informs there are taxa like - 1) *O. gamblei* 2) *O. >>>>>>>>>>> serrulata* 3) *O. kirkii* which I do not know. Don't wish to >>>>>>>>>>> find out synonyms to relate them with FBI. Would DNA analysis help? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My concern here is leaf texture, nothing else. You my check if >>>>>>>>>>> you can find details on *O. gamblei* (GRIN gives a synonym >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423868#syn>) >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> have waxy leaves >>>>>>>>>>> <http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=5895> as per FRLHT. >>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure if your leaves can be called waxy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Better wait for experts from your region. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ochna >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna> >>>>>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys *from published >>>>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., >>>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <anurag.op...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 17 April 2015 at 19:30 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:221298] ANAPR48 Ochna sp. for >>>>>>>>>>>> identification >>>>>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Family: Ochnaceae >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 17th April 2015 >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Nandi Hills, Bangalore, Karnataka >>>>>>>>>>>> Habit: Shrub/Small tree >>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Scrub forest >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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