As per my e-mail earlier today when I indicated my error naming this
asC.acutangula, it is in fact Clematis confusa Grey-Wilson which has
beenreduced by W.T. Wang to Clematis connata var. confusa, an accepted namein
'The Plant List' and COL.
I do have reservations about this, given how different the flowers seem cf.
what I understand to be more typical C.connata and its restrictedgeographical
range. I also wonder about differences in the 'connate part'.
Inevitably there will be differences of opinion/interpretation.
But given the seemingly minimal differences used to distinguish between some
speciesin certain genera, I wonder about this but I am not a plant taxonomist.
As to which source of information is more reliable, I am new to using these, so
shallscrutinise further and see what others think of them.
Come what may, none will be perfect and subject to change!
It really must be a nightmare for most 'mortals' with no particular background
in plantidentification to face so many changes and different interpretations....
I recollect remarking (like others before me) to someone taking an interest in
Nepal florawhilst visiting the Natural History Museum herbarium in London that,
"In many ways identifyingplants is as much an art form as a science".
We are all trying incl. Mr Garg to make things more scientific, consistent and
reliable but this has neverbeen straightforward.......
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
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From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016, 8:08
Subject: [efloraofindia:254260] Fwd: SK125OCT042016:ID
Forwarding again for Id assistance please.Some earlier relevant feedback:
| My first offering on Nepal. I am not as familiar with its flora as Ladakh or
the NW Himalaya and as with the whole of the Himalayan foothills, the lower the
elevation one goes, especially into sub-tropical and tropical plants, my
knowledge rapidly diminishes! Nevertheless, I have visited Nepal on a number
of occasions and know something of its flora. This Clematis is certainly not
C.buchananiana. I think you will find this is Clematis acutangula - it is not
recorded in 'An Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' Vol 2, 1979) nor
'Flora of Kathmandu Valley' (1986). Hooker knew the plant as is in FBI - from
Khasia Hills (now Meghalaya). Do not know of any images on internet. The
pressed specimens in Kew herbarium will not help much.If circumstances permit,
I shall contribute more about Nepalese flora. --Chris Chadwell |
| Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji.Catalogue of Life gives it (Clematis acutangula
Hook. fil. & Thomson) as a syn. of Clematis ranunculoides Franch.Images of this
look different at the following links:http://www. clematisinternational.com/
page74.htmlhttp://www.pavelkaalpines.cz/ Photos/China2009/
clematisranunculoideslugulakey unnanchina.htmlhttp://www.britishclematis.
org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp? TID=17 - from me |
| Clematis acutangula is not listed in Nepal in books as well as link :
http://www.efloras.org/ florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110& taxon_id=107312 .
Another, the flower color and leaves do not match at all as per the links:
Link1
and
Link2.
As such, request expert for the verdict. - Thank you,
Saroj Kasaju |
| Thanks for letting me know. This name was supplied to me some years back.
I had assumed they had expertise, so neverchecked further. I am not a
specialist in the genus Clematis but will check further incl. with the person
who provided the name.
Yes, the plant photographed does not match the images of Clematis ranunculoides
you provided links to.
A lesson to all - always double-check IF you can!
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>
Date: 4 October 2016 at 14:28
Subject: SK125OCT042016:ID
To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, "J.M. Garg"
<[email protected]>
Dear Members,
Sharing some pictures for ID shot at the Chandtagiri Hill Kathmandu on 19
September 2016 at 8200 ft.
Could it be Clematis buchananiana DC. ??
If so why color of flower is different?
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
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