---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> Date: 7 January 2017 at 11:30 Subject: Re: The differences between Geum roylei Boille and Geum urbanum L. To: C CHADWELL <[email protected]>
Thanks, Chadwell ji. *Geum roylei* Wall. <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/bf8eba1a75d4560f56b72d66455efacf> is an accepted name as per Catalogue of Life <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/bf8eba1a75d4560f56b72d66455efacf> (updated on 23.12.16) with distribution as Afghanistan, Pakistan (Kurram, Chitral, Swat, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir), NW-India, Nepal *Geum urbanum* L. <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/10b0913683ea6f63e8b4e60726750c58> is an accepted name as per Catalogue of Life <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/10b0913683ea6f63e8b4e60726750c58> (updated on 23.12.16) with distribution as Albania, Austria, Belgium, England, Bulgaria, Corsica, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Spain, Hungary, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia, Portugal, Malta, Norway, Poland, Romania, Sardinia, Sicily, Scandinavia, Sweden, Crimea, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, C-European Russia, E-European Russia, N-European Russia, W-European Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Caucasus, Azerbaijan, Gruziya, Armenia, W-Siberia, Russian Far East, C-Asia, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, New Zealand, Turkey (E-Anatolia, Inner Anatolia, N-Anatolia, NE-Anatolia, NW-Anatolia: Bithynia, S-Anatolia: Aleppo etc., SE-Anatolia, SSW-Anatolia, W-Anatolia, WN-Anatolia), European Turkey, Iran (EC-Iran, N-Iran: Mts., NW-Iran: Iranian Aserbaijan, W-Iran: Mts.), Iraq (NE-Iraq, NW-Iraq), Lebanon (C-Lebanon), Syria (coastal W-Syria, C-Syrian Desert), Pakistan (Kurram, Chitral, Swat, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir), N-India, USA (introduced) (Illinois (introduced), Massachusetts (introduced), Michigan (introduced), New York (introduced), Ohio (introduced), Oregon (introduced), Pennsylvania (introduced), Rhode Island (introduced), Utah (introduced), Vermont (introduced), Washington State (introduced), Wisconsin (introduced)), Canada (introduced) (New Brunswick (introduced), Ontario (introduced), Quebec (introduced)) In on line efloras, I get only *Geum roylei* Bolle, ; Fedde, Repert. Beih. 72: 66 (1933) in Flora of Nepal <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242422632> & *Geum urbanum* Linnaeus, Sp. Pl. 1: 501. 1753 in Flora of North America <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=220005568>. On 21 December 2016 at 05:56, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > Having now submitted two postings of Geum elatum, it is time to > see if progress can be made clarifying the difference between: > > Geum roylei Boille (syn. G.urbanum Hk. FBI) > and > Geum urbanum L. > > Stewart understood that BOTH species were common in Kashmir. > > *Is this the current thinking amongst Indian botanists and IF so, * > *on what basis are they told apart?* > > I do have a set of images of G.urbanum taken in the UK which we can > use for comparative purposes but I think it will be informative to know the > current thinking first. > > *Just seen that Geum roylei is an UNRESOLVED name according to the* > *latest version of 'The Plant List'!* > > *What fun.* > > *I also cannot access Geum in 'Flora of Pakistan'. Have they come up > with* > *another change of genus? As Geums WERE known to be in Pakistan. With* > *Geum elatum described in 'Flowers of Pakistan' which says there are only > 2 species of* > *Geum in that country - I have to say I question the identification of the > photos claiming to* > *be G.elatum - the flowers look too small to me (cannot see the ffoliage).* > > *Can anyone help clarify the situation?* > > *Collet in 'Flora Simlensis' said that Geum elatum L. grew commonly around > Shimla.* > *But he generally followed Hooker and the INCORRECT assumption at that > time that lots* > *of 'British'/'European' species grew in the W.Himalaya, so IF Geranium > roylei is a separate* > *species, as was the thinking behind 'Flowers of the Himalaya', Collet > would have just* > *assumed the Geum at Shimla was a variant of the 'British' plant which was > found in Europe* > *& West Asia.* > > *Has the genus been studied since then?* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). The whole world uses my Image Resource <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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