Thanks, Chadwell ji, for further details. On 21 Jan 2017 10:43 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Anil > > The identification of Himalayan Geraniums is not straightforward. > > Thanks for your contribution but the author of G.aconitifolium is not > provided. Please ALWAYS include this when there > is ANY question-mark as to identification. We often omit them, which is > fine when there is no doubt as to usage i.e. > that the species name has not been used by more than one author. > > Stewart recorded G.aconitifolium sensu Edgew, in FBI from N.Pakistan incl. > Baltistan and Skardu > (also a single specimen from Lidder Valley) along with W.Tibet (a Falconer > specimen) - Ladakh was known as > 'Western Tibet' during the British days but not all 19th Century pressed > specimens marked as W.Tibet were from > Ladakh territory. > > Kala in 'Medicinal Plants of Indian Trans-Himalaya' - which covers > Zanskar, does not mention G.aconitifolium > but there are numerous misidentifications and questionable identifications > that this has no significance. > > Aswal & Mehrotra (1999) in 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' claim > G.pseudo-aconitiifolium Blatter with G.aconitifolium sensu > Edgew. & Hook.f. as a synonym! They say this is common on alpine grassy > slopes at Khoksar. They also recognise > a var. album which they published in Indian Journal of Forestry. *Blatter > was not a trained taxonomist. His* > *'Beautiful Flowers of Kashmir' 2 Vols are littered with mistakes and > should not be viewed as a reliable reference source.* > *Whereas Coventy's 'Wild Flowers of Kashmir' a Series of 3. can be - > though now out-of-date in terms of some of the* > *nomenclature.* > > Geraniaceae Flora of Pakistan has G.aconitifolium sensu Edgew. & Hook.f. > as a synonym of Geranium collinum > Steph. ex Willd (the type of which was described from Siberia) gives a > similar distribution to Stewart. > > Another list (cannot locate it at present) has G.aconitifolium L.Her. - > which is different from G.aconitifolium > sensu Edgew.? > > 'An Assessment of Diversity of Genus Geranium... in India with Special > Emphasis on Indian Himalayan Region' (2015) > does NOT mention G.aconitifolium - which regardless of whether the authors > accepted this name/identification SHOULD > have been mentioned at the very least, from a publication in 1997. > > Yeo gives Geranium aconitifolium L.'Heritier (abbreviated as as a synonoym > of Geranium rivulare. He says this is found in the W & centre of > the European Alps. > > *So IF the Geranium Dr Kaul was referring to is G.aconitifolium sensu > Edgew., its occurrence in Ladakh is FEASIBLE - though would* > *represent a NEW record for Ladakh but IF sensu L.'Heritier', then highly > questionable.* > > Either way, kindly let me know the author of this specific epiphet as I do > not have access to 'Medicinal Plants of Kashmir & Ladakh'. Would you also > check where VOUCHER pressed specimens were deposited for this study (IF > this information is provided) and who DETERMINED this geranium from > Zanskar? Unless one has a pressed specimen to CHECK, it is difficult to > be sure about > > Would you also list which other species of Geranium were recorded from > Ladakh and also Kashmir in this book? > > *Until then, I must express uncertainty with the occurrence of > G.aconitifolium in Ladakh.* > > As for the medicinal usage of Geraniums. Koelz states that in the 1930s a > black dye is made by boiling the root with a sulphurous raw material > in Lahoul. At that time the root was popularly applied as a poultice to > bruises whilst local physicians of Tibetan medicine used the plant for > stomach conditions. Known as 'Ga-dur' or 'Ligadur' in Tibetan. A number > of Geranium species (according to Western Science) are collected under this > name. One book I have with paintings of plants utilised in Tibetan > Medicine shows Geranium wallichianum but this species is not known from > Ladakh. > > In Bhutan it appears both Geranium lambertii and G.refractum are collected > under this these Tibetan names. > > *See image attached of roots of Geranium collected by an amchi for usage > in Tibetan Medicine which were photographed* > *as a slide in the 1980s for Chris Chadwell, which has been scanned in.* > > *I currently consider this specimen to be Geranium regelii Nevski.* > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected]; Anil Thakur < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, 21 January 2017, 6:25 > *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:261928] Re: Fwd: Geraniums of Ladakh Part > II > > Thanks, Anil ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Anil Thakur* <[email protected]> > Date: 21 January 2017 at 11:03 > Subject: [efloraofindia:261928] Re: Fwd: Geraniums of Ladakh Part II > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Dr. M.K. Kaul has mentioned one more species of Geranium for Ladakh in his > book 'Medicinal Plants of Kashmir and Ladakh' (1997). It is G. > aconitifolium reported from Zanskar, Ladakh. Roots of this plant are used > medicinally in cough. 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